gathering in nature

[Xenor]

Go play Minecraft if all you want to do is gather and craft. This is a Final Fantasy game and FF games have always had an engaging story with challenging content. This game has neither because of the poor decision to treat gatherers and crafters as equals. I'm sure this alone resulted in many people quitting.

I find it funny you're pushing what you are when your highest craft is 34, highest gather is 19 and you've got a 50 battle class. This game needs big changes if it's to survive and this is one of them that is badly needed. Being unique (no it's not Minecraft exists) is cool, but not when it's unique by sucking.

[Kiote]

Go play Minecraft if all you want to do is gather and craft. This is a Final Fantasy game and FF games have always had an engaging story with challenging content. This game has neither because of the poor decision to treat gatherers and crafters as equals. I'm sure this alone resulted in many people quitting.

I find it funny you're pushing what you are when your highest craft is 34, highest gather is 19 and you've got a 50 battle class. This game needs big changes if it's to survive and this is one of them that is badly needed. Being unique (no it's not Minecraft exists) is cool, but not when it's unique by sucking.

Dude go troll somewhere else. People dont have to obsess over gathering to care about its role in the game. Final Fantasy isnt about Difficult battles. In fact most FF games have very few difficult battles. Final Fantasy is about Character development. And people who want to have well rounded characters deserve benefits for doing so. Crafters and gatherers deserve a significant role in this game. The only mistake SE made with regards to content was trying to give all the play styles the same content. The only way to fix this game as far as Balance and Challenges is to give each play style its own content rather than half ass a diplomacy system. It definitely wont help to cater to lazy bias people like you.

[Cichy]

Dude go troll somewhere else. People dont have to obsess over gathering to care about its role in the game. Final Fantasy isnt about Difficult battles. In fact most FF games have very few difficult battles. Final Fantasy is about Character development. And people who want to have well rounded characters deserve benefits for doing so. Crafters and gatherers deserve a significant role in this game. The only mistake SE made with regards to content was trying to give all the play styles the same content. The only way to fix this game as far as Balance and Challenges is to give each play style its own content rather than half ass a diplomacy system. It definitely wont help to cater to lazy bias people like you.

Exactly, there are plenty of people who play/played this game because of crafting and gathering. I know many people who did nothing else but that.

[Radaghast]

Exactly, there are plenty of people who play/played this game because of crafting and gathering. I know many people who did nothing else but that.

What else is there? Nothing to do but level.

[Xenor]

Dude go troll somewhere else. People dont have to obsess over gathering to care about its role in the game. Final Fantasy isnt about Difficult battles. In fact most FF games have very few difficult battles. Final Fantasy is about Character development. And people who want to have well rounded characters deserve benefits for doing so. Crafters and gatherers deserve a significant role in this game. The only mistake SE made with regards to content was trying to give all the play styles the same content. The only way to fix this game as far as Balance and Challenges is to give each play style its own content rather than half ass a diplomacy system. It definitely wont help to cater to lazy bias people like you.

So basically you're now saying the same as me. That gatherers and crafters should not be treated the same as battle classes and instead should have their own content. This is exactly what SE is doing.

[Kiote]

So basically you're now saying the same as me. That gatherers and crafters should not be treated the same as battle classes and instead should have their own content. This is exactly what SE is doing.

Actually what I said was this game needs independent content for Gatherers. What you said was scrap two major portion of the game. Massive difference. I also believe that while each play style has it's own primary content there is no reason they can't intertwine. DoW/M protect DoL in DoL content and DoL open paths and create obstacles for enemies in DoW/M content. The end goal should be to create a systematic harmony where in these classes are not dependent on one another but benefit on a huge scale from utilizing each others skills.

[RathSkybreaker]

Actually what I said was this game needs independent content for Gatherers. What you said was scrap two major portion of the game. Massive difference. I also believe that while each play style has it's own primary content there is no reason they can't intertwine. DoW/M protect DoL in DoL content and DoL open paths and create obstacles for enemies in DoW/M content. The end goal should be to create a systematic harmony where in these classes are not dependent on one another but benefit on a huge scale from utilizing each others skills.

The only problem I see with this is that if they made the advantage of having a gathering class so...Gargantuan.. which would more than likely be the case, (otherwise why would people do it, aside from sheer fun, but that's something else in itself). it would make it that much harder to form a party in already broken party system. Granted if this was implemented much later on, after the obvious issues are fixed then yes, it would be viable. ATM I think a lot of people are struggling with the idea that the game is broken and they are trying to fix it, thus the lack of content, thus why we are bored. Personally I'm to the point I only log on to handle LS affairs which is sad.

But hey that's just my opinion right? If you enjoy the game then enjoy the game don't let me put a damper on your parade, just realize that we are bitching because we want this game to succeed too.. unless you are a troll then well.. idk piss off ?

[Xenor]

Actually what I said was this game needs independent content for Gatherers. What you said was scrap two major portion of the game.

Nowhere did I say anything like this. Now you're just making shit up. I said crafters and gatherers should not be treated as equals to battle classes. Story missions should not lack challenging content just because gatherers and crafters can't participate. I stand by this and I'm glad it's changing. I never said gatherers need independent content in the post you quoted but I never said they didn't. I have however pushed for it elsewhere. My MIN and BTN are both 44, of course I want more content for them than ranking up.

[Sorel]

So basically you're now saying the same as me. That gatherers and crafters should not be treated the same as battle classes and instead should have their own content. This is exactly what SE is doing.

Separate is not Equal! No Justice, No Peace!! Blacksmith RAGE!!!



Joviality aside ... upon reflection, the concept that Gatherers and Crafters should be able to enjoy and complete the exact same storyline arc as Warriors and Mages was ill-conceived.

I agree with Xenor and others on this thread that, once challenging epic-level content has been established for Warriors and Mages, the Development Team would be extremely wise to create equally epic storyline arcs for Crafters and Gatherers.

Imagine being a Blacksmith during the Industrial Revolution, or a Miner during the North American Gold Rush.

Storyline arcs similar in scope to those would add the desperately wanted "things to do" in the game, breaking the monotony of grinding that many Gatherers and Crafters feel from time to time. They would also allow them to be able to feel like they affect change in the world.

Imagine you are a Botanist, and you become involved in the "Restore the Twelvewood" storyarc where you must find and collect extremely rare seeds from around Eorzea, then find a place where they can be nurtured into saplings, and then safely transport the new saplings to their final rooting in the Twelvewood.

The seeds would be found in various locations. Some from living plants ... some from like-minded Botanist NPCs ... some from the ruins of long lost civilizations. That's at least three quests with 2 cutscenes right there ... just from gathering seeds!!

So yes, there is great potential to make the Gatherers and Crafters truly shine in their own right ... without having to take part in the violence of Warriors and Mages.