Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[PArcher]

For cross class skills, I have Foresight, Bloodbath, Mercy Stroke, Featherfoot and Internal Release. Foresight and Featherfoot are good for when you have to tank something (along with Keen Flurry), Mercy Stroke is a free 200 potency attack (and properly timed can give you a nice chunk of HP back if you need it), Bloodbath is useful in heavy fighting when your healers can't get to you RIGHT NOW (or when tanking), and a bonus 10% crit chance is always nice.

[EasymodeX]

As a general note, I think that valk's damage formula is off by far enough that the stat weights I posted previously are "wrong" -- DTR is underweighted by a significant amount. It's somewhat likely that DTR is the best offstat.

This won't change the balance between crit and SS.

[Ayvar]

So much text...
Any plans for a video tutorial that explains this all?
Like the different scenarios, normal grinding, bossing etc etc

reading...so....hard

4+ Hours of Turn 5 until we downed it. Ran the entire time with 476 ACC with food. Merged all the pulls during that time.

Thanks for the parse, I think we've confirmed at least a 472 ceiling, hopefully we can get some people parsing with accuracy in the 460's to see how low it goes

In my opinion and from what I've seen running my script a bunch of times at different accuracy values. The 7-9 or so accuracy points you get from hq Deviled eggs outweighs the dps boost you get from Buttons in a Blanket.

We confirmed this a couple pages ago

Why would you use the Allagan Earrings of Striking (16 crit and 11 skill speed) over the Tremor Earrings of Striking (11 crit and 11 det) in the Pre T5 BIS list?

It's fine if you want to overvalue det. Just swap out items, such as the earrings, that favor skill speed over determination

[AugustusSB]

We confirmed this a couple pages ago

heh, sounds good man, i skipped over the last 10 or so pages because i've been away from here during the entire holiday break. on a side note the more and more I look at these BiS lists the more I think the diff is negligible as long as you don't go too far above accuracy cap with i90 gear and have your i95 spear.

I actually liked what you said about aiming for slightly below acc cap on gear stats and using the eggs to get to the cap for T5 while using buttons for everything else, been doing that myself for a bit now.

[Ayvar]

heh, sounds good man, i skipped over the last 10 or so pages because i've been away from here during the entire holiday break. on a side note the more and more I look at these BiS lists the more I think the diff is negligible as long as you don't go too far above accuracy cap with i90 gear and have your i95 spear.

You are certainly correct that the differences are very small, though some people do like to work out those small differences. The one factor that will have the largest effect on our dps will be figuring out the correct accuracy cap. Dropping accuracy has a much larger benefit than quibbling over a few points of crit/det/skill speed

[AugustusSB]

So much text...
On another note which cross-class skills should I have at 50?

IMO, the absolutely necessary ones are Internal Release and Mercy Stroke. Fracture used to be up here and could still be useful in some fights and depending on your SS (you would need really really high skill speed for it to be useful as a filler)

But after that I aim for survivability, Foresight/Second Wind/Bloodbath is my personal set.

I've seen some people get Mantra, eh its okay, I personally won't level MNK to 41 or so for it..

Haymaker/featherfoot, dunno if its worth the trouble waiting for dodge procs i mean how often do you have the boss on you in a raid..

[AugustusSB]

You are certainly correct that the differences are very small, though some people do like to work out those small differences. The one factor that will have the largest effect on our dps will be figuring out the correct accuracy cap. Dropping accuracy has a much larger benefit than quibbling over a few points of crit/det/skill speed

Yeah man, I am a min/maxer, which is why i wrote my script ^^ But what I really meant by that is I have a choice to choose "better looking" gear over BiS and not be that far off from BiS, made me really happy because I love the Wyrm set.

As per figuring out the correct accuracy cap, yes I wholeheartedly agree with you on this one, seems like it has the biggest effect on total "dps weight".

[zeth07]

As a general note, I think that valk's damage formula is off by far enough that the stat weights I posted previously are "wrong" -- DTR is underweighted by a significant amount. It's somewhat likely that DTR is the best offstat.

This won't change the balance between crit and SS.

So are all the BiS lists that have been posted recently not accurate now? Can we get anymore clarification on what are the "right" stat weights?

I understand all the differences are generally negligible but the whole point of the BiS lists is to find that small increase, so I'm curious to see what it is supposed to be now.

[EasymodeX]

"Yes".

The fundamental issue is that determination has always been something of a question mark. The BiS lists posted recently have a basic stat priority of Crit > Dtr > SS (and in some cases Crit > SS > Dtr). In all likelihood, determination is going to be stronger than what the BiS lists were originally based on by a pretty good margin.

This means that the stat priority will probably change to Dtr > Crit > SS when all is said and done. I'm not going to post anything for certain until there's more confirmation from people testing and from other classes.

Generally speaking, SS has always been unattractive since it's fundamentally weaker and drains extra TP to boot, so I hope everyone's been de-prioritizing it in gear as much as possible. The real question is crit versus determination.

[whiskeybravo]

I can't contribute much to the discussion, I would at least like to thank you guys for helping be a better DRG, though

Personally, ever since reading discussions about need tons of skill speed to make a difference (aside from the resource drain) I have been trying to prioritize crit and determination. I don't see the negative from having too much of either of those stats regardless of what the weights are, other than maybe pulling hate off a tank :P

I was also reading that LB builds when DPS deliver a critical attack, that's good, right?