Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Peptaru]

Internal release<<<<<<<<

I also keep on mercy stroke cuz it's a semi-useful, off-GCD damage boost and foresight has never saved me . . .
I also keep on second wind and bloodbath for when I screw up, then I don't need a cure... I should probably change those.
A lot of people have dropped fracture, but I've kept mine on because i'm lazy.

[Tilgung]

Giving skill speed a weight seems rather odd. It does absolutely nothing for you if it doesn't drop your GCD. For example, I've got 42 skill speed in gear, but I'm fairly certain at least 2 points of it are making no contribution at all.

[EasymodeX]

Giving skill speed a weight seems rather odd. It does absolutely nothing for you if it doesn't drop your GCD. For example, I've got 42 skill speed in gear, but I'm fairly certain at least 2 points of it are making no contribution at all.

It probably "does but the UI doesn't show it".

[EasymodeX]

1. After 20 seconds of consecutive attacks, you've saved roughly 0.016 seconds. If you have to run into a conflag or whatever, you have a 0.016 / 2.46 = 0.7% chance to get an extra full GCD off before freezing. After 40 seconds, that chance increases to 1.3%. And that's from ... "2" SS.

2. It's not like crit is much better. 2 points of CRT is something like 0.14% chance for +50% damage.

3. SS is still our worst stat, but it has value.

In any case, stat weights aren't really there to try to make a decision for you on "2" of any offstat. Hell you can't even choose "2" skill speed. If you want to manually micromanage every gear decision per your own specific breakpoints (e.g. 42 SS is only worth "40" SS to you ... ??), that's fine. The stat weights are there to guide a gearing strategy where you are comparing 15-30 chunks of different secondary stats.

[PArcher]

For cross class skills, I have Foresight, Bloodbath, Mercy Stroke, Featherfoot and Internal Release. Foresight and Featherfoot are good for when you have to tank something (along with Keen Flurry), Mercy Stroke is a free 200 potency attack (and properly timed can give you a nice chunk of HP back if you need it), Bloodbath is useful in heavy fighting when your healers can't get to you RIGHT NOW (or when tanking), and a bonus 10% crit chance is always nice.

[EasymodeX]

As a general note, I think that valk's damage formula is off by far enough that the stat weights I posted previously are "wrong" -- DTR is underweighted by a significant amount. It's somewhat likely that DTR is the best offstat.

This won't change the balance between crit and SS.

[zeth07]

As a general note, I think that valk's damage formula is off by far enough that the stat weights I posted previously are "wrong" -- DTR is underweighted by a significant amount. It's somewhat likely that DTR is the best offstat.

This won't change the balance between crit and SS.

So are all the BiS lists that have been posted recently not accurate now? Can we get anymore clarification on what are the "right" stat weights?

I understand all the differences are generally negligible but the whole point of the BiS lists is to find that small increase, so I'm curious to see what it is supposed to be now.

[EasymodeX]

"Yes".

The fundamental issue is that determination has always been something of a question mark. The BiS lists posted recently have a basic stat priority of Crit > Dtr > SS (and in some cases Crit > SS > Dtr). In all likelihood, determination is going to be stronger than what the BiS lists were originally based on by a pretty good margin.

This means that the stat priority will probably change to Dtr > Crit > SS when all is said and done. I'm not going to post anything for certain until there's more confirmation from people testing and from other classes.

Generally speaking, SS has always been unattractive since it's fundamentally weaker and drains extra TP to boot, so I hope everyone's been de-prioritizing it in gear as much as possible. The real question is crit versus determination.

[whiskeybravo]

I can't contribute much to the discussion, I would at least like to thank you guys for helping be a better DRG, though

Personally, ever since reading discussions about need tons of skill speed to make a difference (aside from the resource drain) I have been trying to prioritize crit and determination. I don't see the negative from having too much of either of those stats regardless of what the weights are, other than maybe pulling hate off a tank :P

I was also reading that LB builds when DPS deliver a critical attack, that's good, right?

[ChaozK]

Anyone using feint in garuda extreme? Seeing that its pretty rare that slow is working on any endgame boss i feel i should be using it but i am not really sure when and where to put it into my rotation.