Titan Extreme is NOT Fun

[Mags]

I hate how most tough fights rely on everyone to be good.

This is how difficulty in video games have been since the beginning of their time. In the options of the old games, you can choose east, normal or hard settings. Well... this is how MMOs do it. This is nothing new. If someone is not good enough to meet the challenge, they do not get to progress.

Nope, played FFXI, Dcuo, and Neverwinter. I'm sure not many games makes you rely on players as much as FFXIV does.

Then you did not play FFXI before Abyssea content was released. The game basically made you group with others after level 10 at minimum (BST excluded) if you wanted to level to 75. This is nothing new for an SE MMO, to make you want to group up with others to accomplish goals.

It is an online game called MMO, afterall.

[Doo]

This is how difficulty in video games have been since the beginning of their time. In the options of the old games, you can choose east, normal or hard settings. Well... this is how MMOs do it. This is nothing new. If someone is not good enough to meet the challenge, they do not get to progress.

Nope, played FFXI, Dcuo, and Neverwinter. I'm sure not many games makes you rely on players as much as FFXIV does.

Look at the amount of players buying runs and how much business sellers are making. I don't think this is abundant in mmos that I've played.

[HumsterMKX]

This is how difficulty in video games have been since the beginning ...

And pull the reminding 7 down with him. Get idea.

The problem I see in content is over reliance on others. When we have that, great drama ensures and believe or not, slowly tears the community apart.

I can dodge stuff great, but others can't so what can I do. Ask them in the area of "..git good nubz"? Or be patient and waste time teaching. Yes, waste time teaching. Why waste? Because you never know how it is getting through with them.
What about the other guy the keeps failing? He either gets depressed for pulling everyone down with him and try all he can to get better and still fail. Or he can blame everyone else.

The problem lies here. Do we as a COMMUNITY have the patience to understand the failure of oneself and others.

And the flat answer is a fat "NO". You guys are going to hate me for this, but generally it is a big fat NO. And content like this does not help at all.

I seen close LSmates at each other throats due to Titan, I have seen players taking it too easy and casual ending up unwillingly offending others, I have also seen ppl taking stuff too easy and causal so as to troll others, I have seen ppl so hardcore that they are willing to stomp over others.

Is hard content good? Is easier contend good? Seriously I don't know anymore. I rather want content that allows ppl to clear if they place in some effort.

O ya one more thing.

In before generic relies that goes within the realm of ".....go play hellokitty online.."

[Rochetm]

I can dodge stuff great, but others can't so what can I do. Ask them in the area of "..git good nubz"? Or be patient and waste time teaching.

Its pretty much impossible to carry people in this game the way I have been able to in other MMOs. I was fine being the star player that drags others along for the ride. Sadly I cannot do that in this game on the level I could in others. So my choices are spend hours wiping on something because lesser skilled players in my group need that kind of time or kick them and try and find someone better.

One healer can pick up a bit if the other healer isn't to good. Dps can make up a little for other dps being low but not much and tanks can't really do anything about the other tank being bad. Pretty much everyone must be at a skill level that is much higher than what I am used to.

I am pretty sure this is a common problem in FFXIV. All of the content so far has been very easy once you reach a certain skill level. If you can make it to that point there is actually a lot of room for error.

[Ri_ri]

What about the other guy the keeps failing? He either gets depressed for pulling everyone down with him and try all he can to get better and still fail.

That would be me.
I'm not new to raiding so I can multi task, memorize mechanics and execute them with little learning time.

Ask me to remember the whole of a boss' rotation and dodge stuff (pre-move) while healing, that's when I start failing over and over. This kind of content is not fun to me. It's just frustrating, when it ends instead of feeling happy and accomplished I just feel relieved that it's over.

Also, personal rant, whose brilliant idea was to make this an action RPG, anyway?
I'm pretty sure Final Fantasy was always about deep strategies, not about "dodging"... I already play Touhou for that crap. Leave it out of my RPG.

Sorry, but you haven't been playing Mario very long if that's what you think. Mario uses instant death all the time. Instant death pits, scrolling screens that can crush you against a wall/push you off a cliff, lava, falling ceilings/crushing walls, fish that can swallow you whole...it's a staple of every classic Mario game.

Mario is a platformer, though. Not sure why Raikki brought that up.

Even Final Fantasy used things like Doom, Death Sentence, Everybody's Grudge, Level 5 Death, Ultima, and so on to instantly kill you... but you never died because you "lacked the reflexes" (read: ping).

[Mags]

The problem I see in content is over reliance on others. When we have that, great drama ensures and believe or not, slowly tears the community apart.

This is the nature of the beast, and there is no other way to do difficulty.

I meant rely as in the way Rochetm explained it. In FFXI pre abyssea you can always recover in fights if you have skilled enough players while in FFXIV doesn't matter how skilled you are if you can't burn the heart when someone falls.

And therein lies the challenge and difficulty. It is not a new concept in MMOs, nor will it pass anytime soon. Stuff on the ground, move out of the way. Its simple really, and you can somewhat predict it's pattern or at the very least know when it might occur. The difficulty isn't in the individual but the team as a whole to coordinate the pattern.

Same with needing enough DPS to burn a node before a wipe mechanic pops. Its simple gear check.

[Doo]

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Then you did not play FFXI before Abyssea content was released. The game basically made you group with others after level 10 at minimum (BST excluded) if you wanted to level to 75. This is nothing new for an SE MMO, to make you want to group up with others to accomplish goals.

I meant rely as in the way Rochetm explained it. In FFXI pre abyssea you can always recover in fights if you have skilled enough players while in FFXIV doesn't matter how skilled you are if you can't burn the heart when someone falls.

[Hangcool]

I have to say that when I first did Titan Ex, I thought it was a bit difficult but after many wipes and 2 weeks + later, I can dodge all of his abilities pre / post heart phase 99% of the time. I think the fight is very fun and I enjoy it very much. However I have yet to beat Titan. Most of the time, people would die during the pizza wheel in heart phase or get hit by bombs after heart phase. I am on a JP server and I have been doing almost all my Titan fights through DF. There are lots of Titan Ex parties on the server with almost all of the saying JP Only. The fun factor is slowly wearing off as I keep seeing people die in the fights. > <

[Axidrain]

I have to say that when I first did Titan Ex, I thought it was a bit difficult but after many wipes and 2 weeks + later, I can dodge all of his abilities pre / post heart phase 99% of the time. I think the fight is very fun and I enjoy it very much. However I have yet to beat Titan. Most of the time, people would die during the pizza wheel in heart phase or get hit by bombs after heart phase. I am on a JP server and I have been doing almost all my Titan fights through DF. There are lots of Titan Ex parties on the server with almost all of the saying JP Only. The fun factor is slowly wearing off as I keep seeing people die in the fights. > <

just a tip. copy paste hello in japanese when joining jp only parties. thats all u need lol. they basically just want u to understand what they say. so google translate and respond with a simple yes no