Some Food For Thought (While you wait for the game to improve.)

[geniusprime]

Firstly in order to play this game you had to pay. The ONLY reason they cannot charge to play this game is simply because its bad. SE intentions are for people to pay to play not free to play. If no one is enjoying the game that they bought allowing them to continue to play is not a reward but simply a product of circumstance.

[Alastor]

Firstly in order to play this game you had to pay. The ONLY reason they cannot charge to play this game is simply because its bad. SE intentions are for people to pay to play not free to play. If no one is enjoying the game that they bought allowing them to continue to play is not a reward but simply a product of circumstance.

And without wonderful modern-day conventions such as GameStop and eBay, if you bought a game and did not like it, you would be stuck with it. That argument is hardly reasonable.

Forgive me if I don't see eye to eye with you, but SE could easily have not dropped the fees to this game. It is only out of wanting to keep your business that they have. I'm only asking you to be a considerate customer. Is that so hard?

[geniusprime]

And without wonderful modern-day conventions such as GameStop and eBay, if you bought a game and did not like it, you would be stuck with it. That argument is hardly reasonable.

Forgive me if I don't see eye to eye with you, but SE could easily have not dropped the fees to this game. It is only out of wanting to keep your business that they have. I'm only asking you to be a considerate customer. Is that so hard?

Asking to be considerate is fine but claiming that they are acting like children seems to be on equal footing as being inconsiderate. Beyond that implying that gamers are ungrateful is nothing short of ludicrous. SE knows damn well that they cannot charge to play this game and the free play is NOT out of the goodness of their heart but desperation. Again I don't think folks should be overly aggressive of abusive but don't try to imply that they are ungrateful.

[Alastor]

Asking to be considerate is fine but claiming that they are acting like children seems to be on equal footing as being inconsiderate. Beyond that implying that gamers are ungrateful is nothing short of ludicrous. SE knows damn well that they cannot charge to play this game and the free play is NOT out of the goodness of their heart but desperation. Again I don't think folks should be overly aggressive of abusive but don't try to imply that they are ungrateful.

I must stress that no business is ever forced to give you something in return for your complaints. It is only in the pursuit of GOOD business that Square Enix is giving you the game for free while they work on it.

None of us are entitled to anything here. You may feel that way, and SE has certainly decided to get on their knees for us, but it is certainly within Square Enix's rights to suddenly throw this game to the wind, as much as it is their right to change the name of the game to "Invisible Fire-Breathing Buffalo Invaders."

[Edit:]And furthermore, I should have been more discreet in my word choice, but there are undoubtedly cases of users acting like children in their posts. It was not a blanket statement for every complaint uttered on these forums.

[geniusprime]

I must stress that no business is ever forced to give you something in return for your complaints. It is only in the pursuit of GOOD business that Square Enix is giving you the game for free while they work on it.

None of us are entitled to anything here. You may feel that way, and SE has certainly decided to get on their knees for us, but it is certainly within Square Enix's rights to suddenly throw this game to the wind, as much as it is their right to change the name of the game to "Invisible Fire-Breathing Buffalo Invaders."

[Edit:]And furthermore, I should have been more discreet in my word choice, but there are undoubtedly cases of users acting like children in their posts. It was not a blanket statement for every complaint uttered on these forums.

Thats my point. That they are not doing this out of the goodness of their heart its purely because of business. My other point is let people complain if they want, they should be allowed to vent their displeasure. However, they should do it in a civil manner which is one of the points your were making. With that said the main issue I had with your post is that you are trying to imply that SE is being kind or nice to gamers when in reality they are not. Its all with the intentions to make money in the end; and I don't fault them for that not even in the slightest.

[Alastor]

Thats my point. That they are not doing this out of the goodness of their heart its purely because of business. My other point is let people complain if they want, they should be allowed to vent their displeasure. However, they should do it in a civil manner which is one of the points your were making. With that said the main issue I had with your post is that you are trying to imply that SE is being kind or nice to gamers when in reality they are not. Its all with the intentions to make money in the end; and I don't fault them for that not even in the slightest.

I don't disagree with you about letting people complain. I just don't like the manner in which many people do so. That's my point.

"Complain" has a very negative connotation. It's a very American concept to "complain." You can walk into Arby's, eat a sandwich, not like it, and go and get your money back. In many other places in the world, this is simply not the case.

Instead of "complaining," which is what my five-year-old nephew does when we change the channel from Cartoon Network to ESPN, we should express our concerns at the current status of the game.

I have never once said you shouldn't be able to express your opinion, and will never agree with that statement.

[RathSkybreaker]

I must stress that no business is ever forced to give you something in return for your complaints. It is only in the pursuit of GOOD business that Square Enix is giving you the game for free while they work on it.

None of us are entitled to anything here. You may feel that way, and SE has certainly decided to get on their knees for us, but it is certainly within Square Enix's rights to suddenly throw this game to the wind, as much as it is their right to change the name of the game to "Invisible Fire-Breathing Buffalo Invaders."

[Edit:]And furthermore, I should have been more discreet in my word choice, but there are undoubtedly cases of users acting like children in their posts. It was not a blanket statement for every complaint uttered on these forums.

This may have been previously stated but I'm just going to hop in on this.. The reason they gave it to us for free, is because we won't play it if it's not free, granted some will but they will loose quickly over 70% of their already dwindling player base. People would quit, they would tell their friends.. And the word of a shitty mmo charging 10+$ a month is out rageous, and eventually the servers will drop. Fortunately SE is in a position where they are loaded and can afford to take this hit. They want to make this game grow to a point that they can make money. If they actually will is still in the unknown. I hope they do I love SE games )some of them)...

[Airlea]

People would quit, they would tell their friends.. And the word of a shitty mmo charging 10+$ a month is outrageous, and eventually the servers will drop.

I can tell you that 98% of the people I know who are playing would quit if they started charging next month. Most would never give them a chance again. I certainly wouldn't. This -is- their second chance already. I'm pretty sure SE knows this. Now we just gotta' sit back and hope they get it right.

[RathSkybreaker]

I can tell you that 98% of the people I know who are playing would quit if they started charging next month. Most would never give them a chance again. I certainly wouldn't. This -is- their second chance already. I'm pretty sure SE knows this. Now we just gotta' sit back and hope they get it right.

The fact that I have put a lot of time into this game, and I want to see it prosper is the only reason I still keep up with this hot mess.

[Morticous]

And without wonderful modern-day conventions such as GameStop and eBay, if you bought a game and did not like it, you would be stuck with it. That argument is hardly reasonable.

Forgive me if I don't see eye to eye with you, but SE could easily have not dropped the fees to this game. It is only out of wanting to keep your business that they have. I'm only asking you to be a considerate customer. Is that so hard?

Ha, your right they didn't have to give it to us for no monthly fee but if they feel this way I invite them to start charging for this trash and see how many people continue playing. This argument is asinine. "They don't walk away with an $80 dollar disk", "They could have let the game go with the wind". I have news for you. Any company who sells a disk to a grip of people and then turn around 2 months later and say "Sorry this game is trash, we are closing servers" is going to go out of business. They have to keep this game running for a certain amount of time so they can claim to have provided the service it requires for a reasonable amount of time before they "have" to shut it down to even slightly get away with such a fail product. I for one purchased an $80 disk with my chips and they didn't have enough salt so I'm pissed.

BTW tell your customers to STFU because there is salt on the table if they don't like it. Problem here is... SE didn't even provide me with extra salt.. Stop trying to make everything ok, nobody is going to read your post and change their mind on a dime. Good job buddy.