Please remove gear advantages in PVP

[Vektrat]

When you get facerolled by a team "full of PvP" gear I'm positive on 90% of the cases they didn't beat you because of the gear (more specially now that the difference should be small still).

It is called correlation, people who are "full of PvP" gear, have played MUCH more PvP than you, thus they have better experience, so don't assign all the blame on gear.

[realistic1]

Please remove gear advantages in PVP.

We ALL started this game with the exact same gear advantages. If someone worked on PVE gear & had all level 90 going into PVP, they earned that gear and so could have you. If someone crafted HQ PVP gear on the day of 2.1 release, you could have done the same or purchased it on auction.

My biggest disadvantage at this point is not having a group and losing to premade teams of 3 that communicate & have a plan of strategy. I am not whining about it as even though I have not found a group, there is nothing in the mechanics of this game preventing me from finding or forming one. Yes, attaining gear is much slower for me right now as I am not getting many wins but I am certainly not going to suggest that you punish others simply because they are excelling at pvp at a faster rate than me as we ALL had the same advantages in this game gear-wise from the day we started playing.

[x037x]

I have not made an argument yet that this game shouldn't have a gear grind for the financial health of itself. I've made an argument for why a true competitive player is and should be turned off by a gear grind.

WRONG... A true competitive player will do whatever it takes to win, whether it be practicing his skill or grinding day and night for gear to be "better"

Your argument is invalid.

Furthermore, I'm finally full i70 PVP gear and if I get stunned locked and my purify is tapped and I have 3 well skilled semi geard PVE DPS on me.. I'M DEAD...end of story doesn't matter what gear I have, it honestly does nothing for me in that situation... YEAH I can pop my attunement ( i have to spam it and pray it pops off) but as soon as it's done a well skilled DPS will know to wait and re-stun me as soon as attunment is gone, then and I'm dead GG. So having the "gear" doesn't necessarily make me better, there is ALOT of skill involved to not get caught in a 3 DPS stun lock-rape as a WHM all the while heaing myself and teamates, esuna'ing sleeps, esuna'ing debufs etc... . If anything the gear helps me take less dmg as I kite for my life, but honestly after reaching rank 20 I can say with confidence this argument about the gear is simply the underlying envy and lack of skill from people who can't win, and therefore can't score they gear that they are complaining about.

[x037x]

When you get facerolled by a team "full of PvP" gear I'm positive on 90% of the cases they didn't beat you because of the gear (more specially now that the difference should be small still).

It is called correlation, people who are "full of PvP" gear, have played MUCH more PvP than you, thus they have better experience, so don't assign all the blame on gear.

THIS! ^^ Thank you finally somebody with some common sense.

[Fyreus]

When you get facerolled by a team "full of PvP" gear I'm positive on 90% of the cases they didn't beat you because of the gear (more specially now that the difference should be small still).

It is called correlation, people who are "full of PvP" gear, have played MUCH more PvP than you, thus they have better experience, so don't assign all the blame on gear.

My good Sir, may i sig this?

[MrMr]

When you get facerolled by a team "full of PvP" gear I'm positive on 90% of the cases they didn't beat you because of the gear (more specially now that the difference should be small still).

It is called correlation, people who are "full of PvP" gear, have played MUCH more PvP than you, thus they have better experience, so don't assign all the blame on gear.

Who is complaining about getting facerolled? Time investment does correlate to gear it does not correlate very well at all to skill.
Someone who has little time playing this games pvp might have a lot of experience pvp in other very similar games and lot of pve experience in this one. That person could very well be more skilled than the person who has invested a significant amount of time in this games pvp. That person who invested time and got gear that has 'experience' is not necessarily skilled.

No need to throw out strawmen, just accept you value working more and not working harder rather than pathetically trying to change my and others arguments.

WRONG... A true competitive player will do whatever it takes to win, whether it be practicing his skill or grinding day and night for gear to be "better"

No a competitive player wants to be better not "better" and that right there that you needed to put quotes around the word is exactly the point.

Anyway, I tried, if you all -or both- refuse to read what is actually written in opposition to your beliefs I have no hope of having a civil discussion with you. Hopefully others will take the time instead of mindlessly forming beliefs. Best of luck with your grind for gear hopefully you are also becoming better players in the mean time.

[x037x]

I quoted better because you don't think people are "better" when they pwn you because they have better gear.. so you come on these forums and say, they aren't skilled they just have better gear, well didn't hey score the wins in the first place to buy said gear.. .right?

[Tenku]

Laughing at the people who thinks it's all skills when a guy in full ilevel 70 pvp gears beats up on a guy in only ilevel 55 gears or pve gears. Sure, skills are involved to an extent, but when you're outgeared, there's not much you can do when you're doing 50 damage to the guy while he's doing 150 to you.

It's ok that there is gear progression in PVP, but at least make the matches more even. Currently, it's almost always a team with all pugs with ilvl55 pvp gears vs a 3 man premade with all ilvl70 pvp gears. In that instance, just the premade only is a huge advantage but now you add the gears on top of that and it's nearly impossible for the pug to beat.

[x037x]

Words cannot not describe the ignorance in this post.

I looked you up on the lodestone (Drain Bead) and words can describe the sadness I feel for you, keep grinding, you'll get there someday, in the meantime I guess you can keep sympathizing with people the likes of MRMR as you QQ about getting facerolled in the wolves den.

And seriously at least get a full DL or PVP set before you gimp the team you're random queueing for. LVL 40 stuff, cmon man grind WP for a sec before you attempt to PVP.

[Tenku]

I looked you up on the lodestone (Drain Bead) and words can describe the sadness I feel for you, keep grinding, you'll get there someday, in the meantime I guess you can keep sympathizing with people the likes of MRMR as you QQ about getting facerolled in the wolves den.

And seriously at least get a full DL or PVP set before you gimp the team you're random queueing for. LVL 40 stuff, cmon man grind WP for a sec before you attempt to PVP.

He could be on his alt man.