Please remove gear advantages in PVP

[MrMr]

What the fuck?

Its funny and sad because of how little he knows what he is talking about.
The people requesting a freer environment without artificial barriers to the competitive scene or 'market' are labeled as communists. Not only does he not know what what communism is, he is using the term he doesn't understand as a way to poison a well and he is the one advocating for an environment where people are more likely to succeed on something other than their own merits.

Logic & knowledge fail wrapped in a pretty hypocrisy bow. All you can do with people like this is ignore and pity them.

[Shiyo]

It really sucks that people are so used to every MMO having a gear grind in PVP that they can't see past that and think that's the ONLY way MMO PVP can be.

It also sucks being the minority, but what can you do. The majority is wrong pretty much in every situation in life, but since they outnumber you their outcries are heard over your compelling arguments, your facts, and anything you can come up with to dispute their false claims.

Idiocracy is a great movie and I suggest everyone watches it, because it's what I see the world becoming more and more everyday.

[LongNu]

It really sucks that people are so used to every MMO having a gear grind in PVP that they can't see past that and think that's the ONLY way MMO PVP can be.

It also sucks being the minority, but what can you do. The majority is wrong pretty much in every situation in life, but since they outnumber you their outcries are heard over your compelling arguments, your facts, and anything you can come up with to dispute their false claims.

Idiocracy is a great movie and I suggest everyone watches it, because it's what I see the world becoming more and more everyday.

You're idealistic, and that's great, but you're forgetting practical implications. The voice of many (unfortunately) overcomes idealism. MMO's are no exception to this rule. It is what it is. Either you like it or you don't. No one is forcing anyone to play this game. The PvP here is limited. Accept it as it is or continue having delusions of a 'grander' innovation that will most likely never come.

[SirGazuntai]

I love how PvP never fails to bring out the arrogance in people. "I'm better than you. Everything you do is wrong if it isn't the same as me. No one should be able to disagree with me. I want everything my way because it's obviously the best way since it is my way.".

My favorite is: "What's your rank in WoW?" or some other games that mean nothing to the current game.

We aren't so used to PvP gear progression that we can't see anything else. What we're used to is seeing MMORPG's do PvP without gear progression and watching them fail terribly. The reason I stopped playing GW2was because I hit level 80 and there was no reason for me to stay. I know for a fact that the majority of my FC would no longer PvP in this game if the progression was gone.

Stop thinking you're smarter than everyone else. You're no better than the rest of the stupid human beings on this planet and you just sound pathetic when you attack everyone who tries to debate with you. The fact that we still exist is proof that the majority isn't always wrong. If the minority were always right nothing would go well because the minority get no say in what happens.

Understand the MMORPG audience. Think about why the majority of them play MMORPG's. Think about why they pay monthly to continue playing these games after they reach the max level. Think about why level caps are raised and why they keep adding higher gear. Progression is going to be the answer the majority of the time. Taking progression away from an audience who wants it is a stupid move.

Giving the audience both forms of PvP would be a great move, though. Why shouldn't the people who want fair PvP be allowed to do it? They should, as long as it doesn't take away from the majority of the game who want what they pay for. I'll happily sign petitions and whatever else to add a mode that syncs all gear and stats to level 50 as long as it's adding alongside. They could even give you the same rewards you get from winning normal PvP matches, but half it that way people who want to jump into normal PvP can collect some gear.

[Shiyo]

You're idealistic, and that's great, but you're forgetting practical implications. The voice of many (unfortunately) overcomes idealism. MMO's are no exception to this rule. It is what it is. Either you like it or you don't. No one is forcing anyone to play this game. The PvP here is limited. Accept it as it is or continue having delusions of a 'grander' innovation that will most likely never come.

Both in GW2 and SWTOR where gear is close to vanity only, the competative pvp element has failed horribly. People want to progress. Thats why they play mmos.

Please do not go off trying to make this game's PvP what it's not. This isn't any MLG PvP. It's an MMORPG, which means progression. Either accept it as it is or find PvP elsewhere. GW2's reward system was its downfall. Do not expect other game companies to make the same mistake. (Hopefully)

Huh? The most successful MMO(World of warcraft) is normalizing gear and giving everyone preset gear to pick from for arenas(the only pvp we have in this is literally arenas). When this was announced at Blizzcon the crowd went wild, everyone was so excited and PVPers have been fighting for this for a decade.

If I don't like it quit you say? That worked so well for FF14 1.0 - where did that game go? Oh right..

It's fine, just tell everyone who doesn't like how this game works to leave and quit, until no one is left and they have to make a realm reborn v2. SE didn't say they're taking player feedback more seriously now or anything. You don't want this game to be successful, and that's fine, a lot of us do.

[Alhanelem]

It really sucks that people are so used to every MMO having a gear grind in PVP that they can't see past that and think that's the ONLY way MMO PVP can be.

It also sucks being the minority, but what can you do. The majority is wrong pretty much in every situation in life, but since they outnumber you their outcries are heard over your compelling arguments, your facts, and anything you can come up with to dispute their false claims.

Idiocracy is a great movie and I suggest everyone watches it, because it's what I see the world becoming more and more everyday.

You're being just as closed-minded as the people you're complaining about. You've gone on and on pushing your opinion as irrefutible fact and you ignore any reasonable argument to the contrary, it's like talking to a wall.

[lordbones]

This made my day. LOL

[LongNu]

It's fine, just tell everyone who doesn't like how this game works to leave and quit, until no one is left and they have to make a realm reborn v2. SE didn't say they're taking player feedback more seriously now or anything. You don't want this game to be successful, and that's fine, a lot of us do.

I'm not telling you to quit. I'm telling you to be realistic about the game you're playing. WoW's potential capabilities are far greater than this game.

[Mihael_Longclaw]

The self-entitled generation... those who don't pvp much should be as good as those who spent time on getting their gear...If I wanted PvP with everyone on equal footing I would pick up some 10 dollar game off of steam that doesn't provide any equipment.

Boy am I glad you don't design shit in this game, but it seems they already have like minded people at the helm.

[Allyra]

I actually went to blizzcon. People cheer at everything there. The only thing that had dead silence was when they were yapping about the movie which they never should have made a panel of since they've got nothing so far. And no, the crowd went a lot more wilder over other stuff rather than the pvp changes. Heck I am pretty sure Blink 182 got more cheers than the pvp gear.