Serious problems with PvP across the board

[Alhanelem]

Lol@ using purify to remove a DoT. Miasma II is OP and you know it.

Miasma Ii is garbage. People say "spam it!" but if you do, everyone will start resisting it within seconds.

Lol, your casts are short or instant, targeting a summoner means nothing. I always ride summoners when I see them and it doesn't make any difference in stopping their casts.

most casts are standard time or longer, meaning any dps should be able to interrupt you constantly. The only thing you can do about this is use the PvP skill that prevents interruption, which has a 5 minute cooldown.

Redunant? Just gives you another bind.

It's an inferior bind, 8 secs unresisted vs 20. We lost a useful spell to get we don't need.

Either nerf the utility or nerf the damage, they can't have both. I'd rather the utility be nerfed.

SMN doesn't have utility. It's a one trick pony. 99% of the QQ is about this one spell, but it's the only thing SMN has that's worth a damn.

1 Of your pets is not "worthless" so what is your point? Also pets can keep interuppting a caster while you're able to focus someone else.

the one that isn't worthless isn't that great either. a 1 second stun with a long cooldown.

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the core ability that everyone has at level 1 (e.g. ruin, bootshine, etc)

PvE is not the same as PvP. I acknowledge you got nerfed in PvE. However, in PvP you are the most powerful class. You have instant raise and a 50% healing debuff.

Two other jobs also have instant raise, and the 50% healing debuff is dispellable and not easily castible when the summoner is being inevitably gangbanged.

You know how easy it is to sleep dps when after you raise someone?

Nope, it's not that easy. Virtually every time I get raised, I die within seconds of getting up because someone runs to where I'm getting up and stands there waiting to kill me.

[Zetonegi]

-2 of 3 pets are worthless and which will just get slept/cc'd anyway

Rouse solves that problem just saying.

[Alhanelem]

Rouse solves that problem just saying.

Rouse has a cooldown longer than the duration of any of those effects so while helpful, it's not a fix-all.

People seem to be bothered by the healing reduction. That's not the primary benefit from my perspective. I don't think it's OP but if everyon'es going to keep QQing about it, I'd say just reduce the amount of healing reduction to 1/3 or 25 instead of 50%. Wouldn't affect PvE because nobody uses it for that effect in pve. The main value of the spell to me is the heavy effect so people can't run ahead and block my LOS constantly.

Battle raise is fine and doesn't need to be touched. People who raise up in PvP are extremely vulnerable and usually die seconds after raising unless the other team has more brawn than brains.

I know, it also doesn't remove them if they've already been CC'd.

Actually unless i've gone crazy, it does. I'm only trying to say that if you're using/saving it for Enkindle, you might not want to use it or it might already be in use.

[Zetonegi]

I know, it also doesn't remove them if they've already been CC'd. It can give them pseudo immunity since the scary CC is owned by mages and is primarily used with swiftcast, which rouse shares a CD with. Its akin to Purity, not a fix-all but it helps a lot.

[LongNu]

SMN doesn't have utility. It's a one trick pony. 99% of the QQ is about this one spell, but it's the only thing SMN has that's worth a damn.

Hahahaahahahahahaa okay, this guy's trolling.

[Zabuza]

Miasma Ii is garbage. People say "spam it!" but if you do, everyone will start resisting it within seconds.

most casts are standard time or longer, meaning any dps should be able to interrupt you constantly. The only thing you can do about this is use the PvP skill that prevents interruption, which has a 5 minute cooldown.

SMN doesn't have utility. It's a one trick pony. 99% of the QQ is about this one spell, but it's the only thing SMN has that's worth a damn.


Two other jobs also have instant raise, and the 50% healing debuff is dispellable and not easily castible when the summoner is being inevitably gangbanged.

Nope, it's not that easy. Virtually every time I get raised, I die within seconds of getting up because someone runs to where I'm getting up and stands there waiting to kill me.

I'm just gonna reply to your most ridiculous points, because I'm beginning to think you're trolling me. Miasma II is far from garbage, it is an overpowered spammed slow/disease. Your point saying that SMN is a one trick pony made me lol since the reason SMN is overpowered is because of the combination of all of their utility. Also, the two other classes that have instant raises are healing classes which you can only have one of in a match. It's not as simple to kill a raised target as you make it sound if the other team is coordinated with CCs and good at the game. Any comp that has no SMNs is only going to have 1 raise as opposed to a double SMN comp having 3 raises, this point also made me lol. I'm done responding to you, I can tell nothing will convince you, and there's a 50% chance you're trolling me.

[LongNu]

I'm just gonna reply to your most ridiculous points, because I'm beginning to think you're trolling me. Miasma II is far from garbage, it is an overpowered spammed slow/disease. Your point saying that SMN is a one trick pony made me lol since the reason SMN is overpowered is because of the combination of all of their utility. Also, the two other classes that have instant raises are healing classes which you can only have one of in a match. It's not as simple to kill a raised target as you make it sound if the other team is coordinated with CCs and good at the game. Any comp that has no SMNs is only going to have 1 raise as opposed to a double SMN comp having 3 raises, this point also made me lol. I'm done responding to you, I can tell nothing will convince you, and there's a 50% chance you're trolling me.

No dude you're wrong. Summoners have no utility.

[Zabuza]

No dude you're wrong. Summoners have no utility.

I blame group C tbh.

[Alhanelem]

Hahahaahahahahahaa okay, this guy's trolling.

Sorry, I'm not trolling. Could you explain to me how SMN is a "utility" class? One strong debuff spell and raise does not a utility class make.

Miasma II is far from garbage, it is an overpowered spammed slow/disease.

You're stupid. If you *spam* it, you will make everyone you hit resistant to disease and end up negating the very effect you're trying to inflict.

[LongNu]

Sorry, I'm not trolling. Could you explain to me how SMN is a "utility" class? One strong debuff spell and raise does not a utility class make.

You and WARs have the best utility in the game which is an MS effect (Healing Debuff)
You also have a Heavy and Bind in addition to a Raise.

This conversation is over.

Either you're trolling or you actually have no idea how to play your class.