Serious problems with PvP across the board

[Omagana]

I usually PVP as SMN, it's a total face roll.

Bind, disease(heavy/anti-heal), DoTs, Ruin II, blind, swiftcast, Virus, Energy Drain, Resurrection, Physick and a pet with stuns. Miasma II, instant disease to any melee around you. Can also Eye for an Eye your healer. Can do all of this while sprinting.

If you DO get a chance to stand still for 2 GCDs and apply your DoTs, fester -> energy drain -> ruin II burst damage will put anyone down. This is without even buying any PVP skills.

[Traison]

I would just like to say, since it seems no one reads those helpful little boxes that popup in the game. When you change your GC you get set to level 0 again, you have 3 different GCs so 3 sets of pvp skills you can have at any one time. Yes its a pain in the ass to switch just to play a different class but the option is there. Once you get all 3 to level 30 then you should have an extra 5k to reset should you want to.

[Lady_Slashj]

Need to split the text because its to long...

From an WHM full iLvl70 PVP Rank 18 450+ Games perspective about SMN`s:

This Job is by far the most OP job out there right now (and if you ask me its the only OP Job right now).
Having so much utility combined with such an strong defensive skill and burst is just ridiculous!
As an Healer usually havin some1 sit on u and try to interrupt ur heals u dont have much of an choice if u face an SMN.
The most often scenario is:
SMN uses his insta dots -> SC Miasma -> Spread dots if u have a good shot on it or just use Fester/Ruin2/Energy Drain + Garuda/Ifrit Hits and say thx GG goodbye.
SMN`s Quick applying of Dots and hitting in his burst combined with another DDs Skills (I personally prefer an BRD with Farshot/execute) is just stupid.
Its easy to apply and accomplish and takes no serious Skill to do so... and u just cant heal against it!

[Lady_Slashj]

There are only 2 Options here ur DD could survive this:

1.) Hit Benediction and Pray that he doesnt die in the next 2 seconds anyway
2.) The focused Target burns his Purify to get the Dots off him, immediatly as they are applied and before Fester hits + You hit equanimity+Presence of Mind and Perm Cast Heals on him to maybe save Benediction.
Keep in mind, 2.) needs u to be free of Stun/Sleep/Kicks
And i dont even wanna talk about how this match goes if u face 2 SMN`s, because if they are not perma slept (Which u cant really accomplish) then theres no chance at all to win this match.
Even though u get one down, insta rezzes come up and this game will probably take forever
I even saw already SMN`s starting to Dot up my Tanks and burn them a little (almost killing them as fast as an DD due to having more DPS Gear then survival Gear).
Top2 biggest Shit u can face as an WHM in PVP is:

[Lady_Slashj]

Either 1 is gettin Focused out and has Miasma on -> Usually is not Healable at all and will die to Burstdmg
3-4 Ppl get Dotted up and u got em all on about 60-70% health and need to GUESS, who they are gonna be bursting now because healing all of them is never an option!

And how the fuck does it come into your mind that SMN is the most squishiest Class out there? You gotta be nuts man...
You got an instant Melee Slow apllied which gives u the option to enhance ur space between Melees and u + After u already applied your instant dots (which just takes about 5 seconds and is done by the time some1 arrives at u)... u can still hide behind walls/pillars if u really are in danger of ranged attacks!

[Lady_Slashj]

I mean cmon... u dont have to cast 1 Spell at all you r the #1 DPS + you can raise/heal and you are hard to kill (With Stun resistance Materia impossible to kill if u ask me) AND u got an frickin pet that does a little bit of the interrupt job on the healer by itself without u having to care at all about it.... maybe rouse it out of sleeps or something like that

TLDR: SMN`s are way to OP right now and need to get hit by nerfs/adjustments alot, especially on Miasma`s heal reduction. If u seriously think SMN`s are not OP then you clearly didn try to play another class in PVP!
The most vulnerable Target right now is still BLM and not SMN btw
I know btw that Fester on an Full dotted Target crits for 1500 dmg btw...

[Bushido]

SNIP - I WANT MY CLASS TO REMAIN OP

Look at all the posts and threads on these forums pls. We know you want ur class to remain op as fuck but plz just stahp... im embarrassed for you

[Zabuza]

No, that's not it at all. It's not like 99% of the SMN complaints are anything more than "Boo Hoo I lost to SMN, therefore SMN is OP!"

My class ISN"T OP. I don't need to keep it OP, because it isn't already. How people can argue the class with the weakest defenses in the game is OP is beyond me. No real crowd control, etc. If it was really that broken, I would have like an 80% win record. I don't.

The BRDs in my parties usually do more damage than I do and they don't have to stand still at all. BRD has all the power and none of the disadvantages yet nobody seems to cry they're OP? SMN is the only class in the game whose main source of both damage

You're really reaching when the only argument you have for SMN being OP is "Lol, here's the smn saying his class isn't OP".

You serious right now? Perhaps you missed the thread I made a few days ago which very clearly outlined how Summoners are overpowered. You know, the one you replied in multiple times?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ummoner-in-PvP.

Is your memory that selective?

Bards can't do instant raise in battle nor can they apply a 50% healing debuff, everyone but other summoners are saying your class is OP and giving reasons why, yet you choose to blind your eyes to the truth. Or perhaps you already know and are simply trying desperately to keep your class overpowered.

[Alhanelem]

Is your memory that selective?

Bards can't do instant raise in battle nor can they apply a 50% healing debuff, everyone but other summoners are saying your class is OP and giving reasons why, yet you choose to blind your eyes to the truth. Or perhaps you already know and are simply trying desperately to keep your class overpowered.

How is my memory selective? I'm not contradicting myself.

Bards can't do instant raise in battle nor can they apply a 50% healing debuff, everyone but other summoners are saying your class is OP and giving reasons why, yet you choose to blind your eyes to the truth. Or perhaps you already know and are simply trying desperately to keep your class overpowered.

No, not everyone is saying my class is OP. Only bad NA players who come crying to the forums are. Go read the JP boards. No complaints about summoner there.

Look at all the posts and threads on these forums pls. We know you want ur class to remain op as fuck but plz just stahp... im embarrassed for you

The class is not "OP as &$^%." Ive looked all over these forums, including the JP boards, which again, have no summoner complaints. Summoners are easy to kill, I die all the time, I don't want my class to remain overpowered because it's already NOT overpowered. If I felt like I was too good, I'd be more than happy to admit it here. But I'm not. WEVE ALREADY BEEN SUBSTANTIALLY NERFED BY THE 2.1 PATCH.

It's a head scratcher where people are getting this idea that SMN "has so much utility." One good debuff worth a damn and the ability to revive someone who will just get instantly killed the second they're targetable doesn't qualify as utility in my book.

SMN has:
-No defensive cooldowns to speak of except Eye for an Eye which can't be used on self
-to spend a significant amount of time to get all its dots in place to do full damage, which can easily be removed by purify to remove not only the debilitating effect but also the damage
-the lowest HP of any DPS
-the weakest basic attacks
-2 of 3 pets are worthless and which will just get slept/cc'd anyway
-100% spell interruption on damage meaning that unless they are not being targeted (which they should be) they have a hard time casting anything other than Bio, Ruin II or Miasma II (which has a short range and short duration and thus isn't really reliable).
-Bane which is not effective because it often doesn't spread to people running around
-Tridisaster which seems useful on paper but has a longer than normal cast time making it very hard to use without switfcast which needs to be reserved for raise or miasma.
-Blizzard 2 which is redundant (instead of thunder which would have been useful) due to Tridisaster
-shadowflare which is completely useless especially because it wakes people up and there is nothing forcing them to stand on it

Miasma is a powerful spell and the best thing the job has, I can't dispute that, but it doesn't make up for the range of useless abilities and general fragility of the job. I play it in PvP purely because it's been my main since the game came out.

[Zabuza]

How is my memory selective? I'm not contradicting myself.

Simple, you said I only QQ about summoners while giving no arguments at all as to how they are overpowered, I proved this to be false by linking you to my post which listed arguments and reasons for SMNs being overpowered.

The class is not "OP as &$^%." Ive looked all over these forums, including the JP boards, which again, have no summoner complaints. Summoners are easy to kill, I die all the time, I don't want my class to remain overpowered because it's already NOT overpowered. If I felt like I was too good, I'd be more than happy to admit it here. But I'm not. WEVE ALREADY BEEN SUBSTANTIALLY NERFED BY THE 2.1 PATCH.

PvE is not the same as PvP. I acknowledge you got nerfed in PvE. However, in PvP you are the most powerful class. You have instant raise and a 50% healing debuff.

It's a head scratcher where people are getting this idea that SMN "has so much utility." One good debuff worth a damn and the ability to revive someone who will just get instantly killed the second they're targetable doesn't qualify as utility in my book.

You know how easy it is to sleep dps when after you raise someone? There is a period of like 3-4 seconds where you cannot target the raised person. More than long enough for a coordinated team to raise their ally. This gives good teams 3 additional chances to beat you even if you've killed an ally of theirs.

SMN has:
-No defensive cooldowns to speak of except Eye for an Eye which can't be used on self

Ok.

-to spend a significant amount of time to get all its dots in place to do full damage, which can easily be removed by purify to remove not only the debilitating effect but also the damage

Lol@ using purify to remove a DoT. Miasma II is OP and you know it.

--the lowest HP of any DPS

Ok.

-the weakest basic attacks

?

---2 of 3 pets are worthless and which will just get slept/cc'd anyway

1 Of your pets is not "worthless" so what is your point? Also pets can keep interuppting a caster while you're able to focus someone else.

--100% spell interruption on damage meaning that unless they are not being targeted (which they should be) they have a hard time casting anything other than Bio, Ruin II or Miasma II (which has a short range and short duration and thus isn't really reliable).

Lol, your casts are short or instant, targeting a summoner means nothing. I always ride summoners when I see them and it doesn't make any difference in stopping their casts.

---Miasma is a powerful spell and the best thing the job has, I can't dispute that, but it doesn't make up for the range of useless abilities and general fragility of the job. I play it in PvP purely because it's been my main since the game came out.

Not only the slow from miasma, instant raises, 50% healing debuff. Your class has too much utility for the damage it provides. Either nerf the utility or nerf the damage, they can't have both. I'd rather the utility be nerfed.