The Monk Temple

[Rhained]

Didn't she mention gaining the ACC from the ifrit bracelet and the stuffed cabbage food?
I still can't see losing 4 str being worth it. But the stat weights seem about right.

You still need to make up for the lost accuracy somewhere else, and that means taking an item with accuracy on another stat rather than det or crit.

Theirs no way a ilvl 80 item is gonna fit on any BiS, it might be good only if your current gear has waaay too much accuracy. And having too much accuracy is the one and only exception of CT chest being better than myth.

[Allyrion]

You still need to make up for the lost accuracy somewhere else, and that means taking an item with accuracy on another stat rather than det or crit.

Theirs no way a ilvl 80 item is gonna fit on any BiS, it might be good only if your current gear has waaay too much accuracy. And having too much accuracy is the one and only exception of CT chest being better than myth.

Like I said, I'm unsure of how the strength can be made up.
However, the accuracy is shuffled in such a way to reduce Skill Speed as much as possible.
I'm not sure it should] be completely ignored even though it has the lowest stat weight, but that's clearly the intention.
When following that, you just have to get more gains from the higher valued stats to equal out loss of strength (which is improbable with those weights).

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I now see though, that the comparison was item by item rather set by set.
So I don't really know how they valued the accuracy.

After calculating it myself -
That comparison literally just left out accuracy weight completely.
I take back all defense of their reasoning. You can't leave out a stat completely from an item and there's no way for the Melee Cyclas to lose if the accuracy is given proper weight.
Even using food to make up the acc, you're using the Stuffed Cabbage instead of the Black Truffle Risotto.
So yea, I'm with Rhained and Rapiso.

Can't believe this !

Hey, I took it back.
I just read it wrong >_>

[TheHomieData]

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so then the combined total of using equip to put you above acc cap + determination food (buttons/black truffle) outweighs using gear + accuracy food?

[Allyrion]

so then the combined total of using equip to put you above acc cap + determination food (buttons/black truffle) outweighs using gear + accuracy food?

That's not the issue. The issue is that no stat weight gains from secondary stats can outweigh the loss of 4 strength unless your accuracy is over 500 or something.
For example, using either of your stat weights will put using the Allagan pants or even just the Allagan Choker of Striking will allow you to pick up the Cyclas chest and gain dps from it.
That's not even all the options.

The difference between stat weights are not so different that you can make up for 4 strength.
To put that into perspective, you would need to replace ~286 skill speed with crit to get 4 strength.

So yea, you have other options to reduce your accuracy while keeping all ilvl90 and there's way to make up for dropping 4 strength by shuffling around secondary stats

[TheHomieData]

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holy crap 286 skill speed/crit to equal 4 str?!?

[Allyrion]

so then the combined total of using equip to put you above acc cap + determination food (buttons/black truffle) outweighs using gear + accuracy food?

An easy example of a better combination than yours, using your standard stat weight:
Melee Cyclas + Allagan pants = 32.504 + 37.944 = 70.448
Fuma Chest + Melee Pants = 32.98 + 32.74 = 65.72

In this scenario, the accuracy can actually be properly ignored since both the Melee chest and the Melee Gaskins give the same accuracy.
I'm not making a BiS list, but the swap between these two make for a straight forward comparison as the accuracy is unchanged for the pairs.

Fuma can't stand up when given a *fair* comparison to a 90 set.

1)http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/2097/MNK-...s-in-a-blanket
2)http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/6433/MNK-...tuffed-Cabbage
3)http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/6463/MNK-...Q-Deviled-Eggs

My BiS depending on food used
1) is the worst set.

I agree with your sets.
The person you're replying to may get the impression the Cyclas isn't worth buying though.
Considering they were asking about myth spending. I'm pretty sure you consider it is since you're wearing it yourself.
Maybe make a pre-turn 5 BiS?

Personally, I gear around my drops and accuracy.
The Hero's Bracelet of Slaying is a safe choice.

Most Melee gear isn't ideal stat-wise compared to their Allagan counter parts, but they are good upgrades until you get the drops.
Most BiS lists don't include much Myth gear.
The head, feet and neck myth are also decent.