The Monk Temple

[Cookie_Monster]

i use the fuma chest because, on paper, the secondary stats on fuma seem to outweigh the melee chest - and that's from both sets of secondary stat weights i've seen (being Det= 0.22/Cr= 0.16/SS= 0.146 and Det= 0.223/Cr= 0.154/SS= 0.156, respectively)

Hey, where did you find these stat weights?

[Butcherb0y]

I lov the neon yellow, @ elheggunte that's freaking awesome

[Rapiso]

albeit the loss of 4 str would at first glance make the melee the better piece, the math comes out to:
using str: 1.0, det: 0.223, Crit: 0.154, SkSp: 0.156
melee - 32.744
fuma - 32.917

using the "standard melee" stat weights of str: 1.0, det: 0.22, Crit: 0.16, Sks: 0.146
melee - 32.504
fuma - 32.98

plus, fuma isn't butt-ugly neon yellow

edit - also, i don't really consider skillspeed to be a useful stat for mnk, but that's personal preference

You forget the 34 accuracy ...

[AldricBranchais]

You using Fracture?

No. Waste of TP for barely a DpS increase.

[Traison]

He specifically says that with an HQ stuffed cabbage you'd have 481 Accuracy. >_>

I said regarding stat weights with accuracy. The Fuma is better yes, because it has det and crit, but you cannot just pass up the acc weights on the melee. In some cases accuracy and other stats like it that have strict caps can be weighted more than even str until the cap is hit, which would make the melee way better if its utilized in a full build.
(I'll admit my wording could have been better :P)

[AlphaDragoon]

Wow, wouldn't think that the Fuma Kuromo could out-do the Melee Cyclas but I'm not good at the stat weight calculations like some of you folks are. Would love for it to be true though as I love the look of that piece (and already have one).

[Allyrion]

You forget the 34 accuracy ...

Didn't she mention gaining the ACC from the ifrit bracelet and the stuffed cabbage food?
I still can't see losing 4 str being worth it. But the stat weights seem about right.

Ignore me.

[Rhained]

Didn't she mention gaining the ACC from the ifrit bracelet and the stuffed cabbage food?
I still can't see losing 4 str being worth it. But the stat weights seem about right.

You still need to make up for the lost accuracy somewhere else, and that means taking an item with accuracy on another stat rather than det or crit.

Theirs no way a ilvl 80 item is gonna fit on any BiS, it might be good only if your current gear has waaay too much accuracy. And having too much accuracy is the one and only exception of CT chest being better than myth.

[Rapiso]

Didn't she mention gaining the ACC from the ifrit bracelet and the stuffed cabbage food?
I still can't see losing 4 str being worth it. But the stat weights seem about right.

Can't believe this !

[Allyrion]

You still need to make up for the lost accuracy somewhere else, and that means taking an item with accuracy on another stat rather than det or crit.

Theirs no way a ilvl 80 item is gonna fit on any BiS, it might be good only if your current gear has waaay too much accuracy. And having too much accuracy is the one and only exception of CT chest being better than myth.

Like I said, I'm unsure of how the strength can be made up.
However, the accuracy is shuffled in such a way to reduce Skill Speed as much as possible.
I'm not sure it should] be completely ignored even though it has the lowest stat weight, but that's clearly the intention.
When following that, you just have to get more gains from the higher valued stats to equal out loss of strength (which is improbable with those weights).

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I now see though, that the comparison was item by item rather set by set.
So I don't really know how they valued the accuracy.

After calculating it myself -
That comparison literally just left out accuracy weight completely.
I take back all defense of their reasoning. You can't leave out a stat completely from an item and there's no way for the Melee Cyclas to lose if the accuracy is given proper weight.
Even using food to make up the acc, you're using the Stuffed Cabbage instead of the Black Truffle Risotto.
So yea, I'm with Rhained and Rapiso.

Can't believe this !

Hey, I took it back.
I just read it wrong >_>