FFXIV Bitter Sweet

[MistressAthena]

XI vet here, you make a couple good points, but I take issue with some of what you've been saying. First off, your comment about grinding dungeons every day with the same rotations. Don't you remember RDM? RDM was a Refresh/enfeeble bot, aka same spells (Refresh, Paralyze, Blind, Dispel, Refresh, etc.) every fight. Yes it could pinch heal or nuke, but the aforementioned was its BNB rotation.

Leveling was the same way. Sure Yhoator Jungle was fun for awhile, with people getting lost/dying to goblin trains. In the end though, it turned out to be an annoyance, especially when Yhoator was full.

Also, I'm getting tired of seeing comments comparing XI and XIV. Someone commented on XIV's 'mindless endgame grind', XI's was the same. You logged in, farmed triggers for sky/sea, kill gods, rinse and repeat.

All in all, you're comparing a game that had a solid 8 years before falling off, to a game that's 4 months old. Give it time, some of your grievances may be addressed in the future.

I think you missed alot of the points.

RDM in parties was like that, out of parties was a whole different story, so that comparison doesn't hold water in the slightest.

The jungle with the gobby trains, sure you COULD do that, but that wasn't your only option, not even close... Yet.. It IS your only option in FFXIV. There is nothing else to do but grind fates or dungeons, the same ones.. over and over.

I was comparing XI to XIV because its a good catalyst. Nothing more.

All in all I'm comparing a game that's been out for over a year which has had a massive change to it. To a game that was solid at release and was solid for 8 years. 3 years down the road, this game still won't be solid unless they do yet again, another 3rd big massive change to a lot of its mechanics.

[MistressAthena]

All those disagreeing are most likely the whiners about the housing price. You cannot deny that basically every zone will never leave a good story to tell your friends because it's all teleport, quest, fate, df, repeat. All the monsters are a joke. FFXI for example, i have many stories from valurm dunes, traveling to jeuno, getting airship pass, missions, demon and beastman strongholds, could go on and on about how impactful every ffxi zone is due to the dangers. Ff14 = mount and run away, teleport, turn in quest. Nothing worth talking about because the game does not force you to go over any hard hurdles. I like the boss fights and dungeons, but the rest of Yoshi's world was made with a casual fate grinder in mind who never experiences true fear.

/salute Thank you

[Umero]

Opinions require thinking.
I prefer VIT over Def. That's my preference.
I prefer VIT over Def because I think VIT benefits me better. The 2nd part of this sentence is an opinion.

So when people say "(I think) that is better than this" even without "I think", it's considered as an opinion of them.
Preference is just something you like/prefer.

I prefer VIT over Def even though (I think) Def is better. The first part is a preference; the second part is an opinion.

[Krystalynn]

This is the best damn post on the board, and guess what, Yoshi won't care... because he made money and Tanaka didn't... and it really is as simple as that. -.-

I'll miss FFXIV honestly. Hell I miss the Final Fantasy series as a whole. They're so busy trying to celebrate the past through nostalgia, they've forgotten why it was nostalgic in the first place.

Edit: The only thing that gives me hope is FFXIV 1.0 was a HORRID game at launch, but was actually, pretty fucking fun for me by the time it died in 1.23. It got ridiculously fun for me after a years time and they revamped the battle system, enhanced the world, added a ton of new story. But this took the team time.

I think for being four months old, this launch of WAY better than what 1.0 had to deal with... and, given the year and a half it took 1.0 to get good, I'm willing to give Yoshi the same chance.

But he won't get good without threads like this bringing up real issues. Even if they're emotionally sourced, I don't want Yoshi comfortable. We keep singing his praises, he's going to drop the ball at the wrong time. He's good at fixing other people's messes, he should be good at fixing his own.

In the meantime Athena, this is for you. Thanks for reminding me I'm not alone. I think of what this game was and could be and it makes my heart ache too badly to write what you did. Thanks for being my voice where all I had were tears and muttered wishes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oquox8Wnag4

[MistressAthena]

This is the best damn post on the board, and guess what, Yoshi won't care... because he made money and Tanaka didn't... and it really is as simple as that. -.-

I'll miss FFXIV honestly. Hell I miss the Final Fantasy series as a whole. They're so busy trying to celebrate the past through nostalgia, they've forgotten why it was nostalgic in the first place.

Edit: The only thing that gives me hope is FFXIV 1.0 was a HORRID game at launch, but was actually, pretty fucking fun for me by the time it died in 1.23. It got ridiculously fun for me after a years time and they revamped the battle system, enhanced the world, added a ton of new story. But this took the team time.

I think for being four months old, this launch of WAY better than what 1.0 had to deal with... and, given the year and a half it took 1.0 to get good, I'm willing to give Yoshi the same chance.

But he won't get good without threads like this bringing up real issues. Even if they're emotionally sourced, I don't want Yoshi comfortable. We keep singing his praises, he's going to drop the ball at the wrong time. He's good at fixing other people's messes, he should be good at fixing his own.

In the meantime Athena, this is for you. Thanks for reminding me I'm not alone. I think of what this game was and could be and it makes my heart ache too badly to write what you did. Thanks for being my voice where all I had were tears and muttered wishes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oquox8Wnag4

Aww Thank you ^.^. You know I have alot of the FFXIV songs on my computer. I even have memories of the dungeons in the old FFXIV. Going through the open dungeons, with the epic dungeon music, then it switching seamlessly with a faster beat one for battles, and back. Alot of good things they killed with FFXIV:ARR

[MistressAthena]

Let's revive :3

[MistressAthena]

Any other thoughts? I like hearing what other people have to add.

[Phe]

I enjoy the game.
Honestly i'm pretty excited for April 4th tho.

SE got 3 months to polish things up.

[Gilthas]

All those disagreeing are most likely the whiners about the housing price. You cannot deny that basically every zone will never leave a good story to tell your friends because it's all teleport, quest, fate, df, repeat. All the monsters are a joke. FFXI for example, i have many stories from valurm dunes, traveling to jeuno, getting airship pass, missions, demon and beastman strongholds, could go on and on about how impactful every ffxi zone is due to the dangers. Ff14 = mount and run away, teleport, turn in quest. Nothing worth talking about because the game does not force you to go over any hard hurdles. I like the boss fights and dungeons, but the rest of Yoshi's world was made with a casual fate grinder in mind who never experiences true fear.

This is complete bull****

You know how many stories I have about monsters in the fields of FFXI? Zero. I actually like that I can kill everything in the open maps (well except FATE bosses) solo in FFXIV, it means that when I need materials I can go get them myself and that I have the freedom to explore all the open areas.

Getting agro and being capable of killing what agro'd me sure beats the hell out of the "excitement" of knowing that if I got agro in a high level zone in FFXI I'd most likely be dead.

[TeaTimeBear]

Any other thoughts? I like hearing what other people have to add.

I'll tell you what you missed. Everything on that front page of yours is fine an dandy for good criticism but there is a HIGE amount of us who can't even experience that. You wanna know why? Because we're crippled by both latency issues and terrible routing to go with. Why is there no mention of the latency issues? Or the poor routing between ISP's and this game in certain locations??