Blizzard II nerf for BLM too severe

[Pinworms]

As a SMN who got Blizzard II instead of our beloved Thunder, we are the reason it needed to be nerfed. If you gave us a 100 potency AoE skill to fit into our Bane rotation, we would do way more AoE damage than we should.

Blizzard II was nerfed to balance it as a cross-class skill, not because it was too good.

So nerf the smn version and not the blm version. Working freeze into an AOE rotation is clunky. Blizzard II didn't need a nerf esp since the devs nerfed the mana ticks and flare dips.

Even if you wanted to use Blizz2 to get more Umbral Ice for MP regen, it's still now a better idea to use Freeze, coz it'll keep you out of melee range, and now do decent damage. It's seriously a better solution for ranged AOE (what you should be doing) every way you look at it.

No it's not..it takes too long to target and then cast so it hurts your dps.



SE don't nerf the pve abilities to fit pvp...scathe, blizzard II etc that's not the way to handle pvp. Ffxiv is a pve game first and foremost and should be treated as such. If you want to do pvp don't mess with pve skills.

[Exstal]

Blizz2's cast time may have been 1.85 secs, but the GCD is 2.5, so you have to go with the GCD, because you're not going to be casting anything between 2 Blizz2's or a Blizz2 and the next spell.

I guess it's good you know the cast times though.

My GCD is 2.35 (which coincides with the cast times). But if you want to take it that way

Blizzard 2s + animation = 2.5
Freeze 3s + animation > 2.5

[IAmPotent]

My GCD is 2.35 (which coincides with the cast times). But if you want to take it that way

Blizzard 2s + animation = 2.5
Freeze 3s + animation > 2.5

Of course it is slightly longer, yes, but people are making it seem like it's double the cast time when it's .5 secs.

Also, I don't know why you added in + animation, Cast time is the animation, and once the GCD is over you can begin casting again with no wait for animations.

My GCD is currently 2.35 right now as well.

So its 2.35 vs 2.82, or a .47 sec difference.

[Exstal]

Although, the original argument in question was "they are the same". Which, you and I both know, they are not.

I just do Fira spam now. Don't even bother with Freeze or Blizzara.

[IAmPotent]

Although, the original argument in question was "they are the same". Which, you and I both know, they are not.

No, the argument was, they are essentially the same.

Which, anyone should be able to see that .47 secs is ESSENTIALLY no difference.

Essentially, basically, practically, more-or-less, the same.

Nobody actually said, they are the same.

[whiskeybravo]

I've been working on THM so I could get swiftcast for my WHM, but what I really don't understand is why SE gave the other DoM class Bliz2. Just seems like the whole fire/ice deal is really the THM/BLM shtick, you know? Thunder is an additional element but not as intrinsic to how the class is played. No other class gets CNJ aoe heals, no other class can use ACN pet actions, no other class can use GLA damage mitigation, etc. Just seemed weird to me.

I have seen one advantageous situation to use Freeze, though. Binding the feathers/plumes in the Garuda fights. (though not sure if that works in the new EM). Especially nice when combined with a Holy.

[Darkshneider]

I've been working on THM so I could get swiftcast for my WHM, but what I really don't understand is why SE gave the other DoM class Bliz2. Just seems like the whole fire/ice deal is really the THM/BLM shtick, you know? Thunder is an additional element but not as intrinsic to how the class is played. No other class gets CNJ aoe heals, no other class can use ACN pet actions, no other class can use GLA damage mitigation, etc. Just seemed weird to me.

I have seen one advantageous situation to use Freeze, though. Binding the feathers/plumes in the Garuda fights. (though not sure if that works in the new EM). Especially nice when combined with a Holy.

I agree totally w ya.I tought this too.as cool as having bliz2 in other dom might be,it feels kinda off having a skill like this that defines thm/blm

[Gylwin]

I've been working on THM so I could get swiftcast for my WHM, but what I really don't understand is why SE gave the other DoM class Bliz2. Just seems like the whole fire/ice deal is really the THM/BLM shtick, you know? Thunder is an additional element but not as intrinsic to how the class is played. No other class gets CNJ aoe heals, no other class can use ACN pet actions, no other class can use GLA damage mitigation, etc. Just seemed weird to me.

Sadly I believe the reason is PvP. They wanted every mage to have some sort of aoe bind to keep people off them. The same reason Scathe was probably nerfed, since it's all BLM can really cast most of the time in PvP.

I hope I'm wrong, but even if it's not the main reason, it's probably part of it.

[Futility]

You know what I personally would like? Have Freeze grant 3 UI stacks.
To compensate, SE could lower the root time on it to 4s and increase it
to, say 12s on Bliz II. This will make Freeze a damage spell and B2 a utility.

[Allyrion]

You know what I personally would like? Have Freeze grant 3 UI stacks.

It really should.