White Mage is Poorly designed compared to Scholar

[sharazisspecial]

It did?

The only buff was the Lustrate going from 20% to 25%.

Everything else were fixes of things not working properly, since a good percentage of our healing output was not even under our control.

The Fixes were buffs -.- . It buffed your healing output potential alot. It made scholar the king of spot heals and solidified their tank healing role.

[Gamemako]

Yes, on a non-crit the Adloq shield equals the amount healed.
Yet, on a crit the Adloq shield equals the amount healed multiplied by 2.

Q: My SCH is still sub-40. I toyed with this before around level 35 and was not able to replicate the claimed result (my shield was still the amount displayed). Is this bonus supposed to come at some specific level?

(I am by no means a SCH expert. I can hardly bring myself to level it with the increasing need to micro the pet. I know what claims are made about various effects and have no specific reason to doubt them, but I wondered one day if it was a possible bug that was double-applying the 50% crit bonus, yet was not able to find any boost beyond crit amount.)

[sharazisspecial]

Q: My SCH is still sub-40. I toyed with this before around level 35 and was not able to replicate the claimed result (my shield was still the amount displayed). Is this bonus supposed to come at some specific level?

It is much easier to test at higher levels and succor doesn't get double shields. Test again at level 50.

[sharazisspecial]

Q: My SCH is still sub-40. I toyed with this before around level 35 and was not able to replicate the claimed result (my shield was still the amount displayed). Is this bonus supposed to come at some specific level?

(I am by no means a SCH expert. I can hardly bring myself to level it with the increasing need to micro the pet. I know what claims are made about various effects and have no specific reason to doubt them, but I wondered one day if it was a possible bug that was double-applying the 50% crit bonus, yet was not able to find any boost beyond crit amount.)

Tested just now incase.
As you can the shield is roughly double 465 hp
It blocked 8 x 77 and 3 x 97 hits .907 hp blocked.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

The Fixes were buffs -.- . It buffed your healing output potential alot. It made scholar the king of spot heals and solidified their tank healing role.

Fixes are fixes. Buffs are buffs.

SCH is now how it was supposed to be from the beginning, except for the Lustrate buff (which indeed was uncalled for - SCHs were crying for fairy AI, not Lustrate).

Before 2.1 it was impossible to manage the fairy without going into ridiculous micro-management that more often than not failed because of latency.
Even now we don't have full control on our fairy yet, but it's at least decently manageable.

Being able to control our own abilities is a fix, not a buff.

[sharazisspecial]

Fixes are fixes. Buffs are buffs.

SCH is now how it was supposed to be from the beginning, except for the Lustrate buff (which indeed was uncalled for - SCHs were crying for fairy AI, not Lustrate).

Before 2.1 it was impossible to manage the fairy without going into ridiculous micro-management that more often than not failed because of latency.
Even now we don't have full control on our fairy yet, but it's at least decently manageable.

Being able to control our own abilities is a fix, not a buff.

It had the same effect of a buff.

Blm double flare nerf was a fix(syncing mp ticks) but it removed dps potential from them. So a nerf.

If lustrate was now affected by healing debuffs and SE said it was a fix. You bet your ass this forum would be full of sch tears saying why SE nerfed us.

Its funny when a class gets increased capabilities from a fix "its not a buff its a fix"
When a class gets less capabilities from a fix "its a nerf!"

[Remilia_Nightfall]

It had the same effect of a buff.

Blm double flare nerf was a fix(syncing mp ticks) but it removed dps potential from. So a nerf.

Well, I prefer to differentiate between a "buff" / "nerf" coming from trying to balance stuff, and a "buff" / "nerf" coming from fixing bugs.
I think it makes a huge difference since it lets us understand how the developers envision each Job.

But yeah, let's agree we have a semantics disagreement.

[sharazisspecial]

Well, I prefer to differentiate between a "buff" / "nerf" coming from trying to balance stuff, and a "buff" / "nerf" coming from fixing bugs.
I think it makes a huge difference since it lets us understand how the developers envision each Job.

But yeah, let's agree we have a semantics disagreement.

Why are you Schs so against making the secondary stat on gear "fun" for whm?

Now that most whm are in full ilvl90 and some like me have allagan weapon. We have nothing to look to forward to gear wise.
There is No carrot on the stick anymore gear wise. Gear can be so fun for a healer if designed well.
Whereas the scholars i know are striving for more critical hit and get happy receiving a piece with critical rating.

Scholar was designed well. White mage was not.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Why are you Schs so against making the secondary stat on gear "fun" for whm?

Now that most whm are in full ilvl90 and some like me have allagan weapon. We have nothing to look to forward to gear wise.
No carrot on the stick anymore.
Whereas the scholars i know are striving for more critical hit and get happy receiving a piece with critical rating.

That is why I said that I agree WHM is boring compared to SCH - not from the fact it is less powerful, but because it is more "vanilla".

I am ALL for making WHM more fun to play - no one is insane enough to want the opposite. Point is, usually WHM make this point by stating how SCH is clearly, undoubtedly superior and sometimes "OP".
That is not, imho, the argument that should be made.

[sharazisspecial]

That is why I said that I agree WHM is boring compared to SCH - not from the fact it is less powerful, but because it is more "vanilla".

I am ALL for making WHM more fun to play - no one is insane enough to want the opposite. Point is, usually WHM make this point by stating how SCH is clearly, undoubtedly superior and sometimes "OP".
That is not, imho, the argument that should be made.

No whm it self is ok, it could be alot more fun. But it has its moments (like timing heals).
Although some abilities like Presence of mind is so stupid in design . 5 min cooldown 10 second duration spell speed -.-.

It is gear that is boring and poorly designed for white mage. No real incentive for whm to go beyond getting the max ilvl in each slot.