White Mage is Poorly designed compared to Scholar

[YuiSasaki]

Adloquium shield is the exact same amount as the heal itself, no more, no less.

Well this is not quite right.

Yes, on a non-crit the Adloq shield equals the amount healed.
Yet, on a crit the Adloq shield equals the amount healed multiplied by 2.

Example:

Noncrit Adloq: 700 -> 700 Shield
Critical Adloq: 1500 -> 3000 Shield (1500 x 2)


BTT, I agree with Opener in terms of some WHM CDs. They are way to long (e.g.: Benediction would suffice on a 3 min. CD or PoM with a 3 min CD)
Yet a 1min CD with reduced MP-costs is way overboard.

Binding a secondary stat to WHM would be the best option, yet it should differ from crit (every class going in the same direction is, well just wrong :/)

[sharazisspecial]

Well this is not quite right.

Yes, on a non-crit the Adloq shield equals the amount healed.
Yet, on a crit the Adloq shield equals the amount healed multiplied by 2.

Example:

Noncrit Adloq: 700 -> 700 Shield
Critical Adloq: 1500 -> 3000 Shield (1500 x 2)


BTT, I agree with Opener in terms of some WHM CDs. They are way to long (e.g.: Benediction would suffice on a 3 min. CD or PoM with a 3 min CD)
Yet a 1min CD with reduced MP-costs is way overboard.

Binding a secondary stat to WHM would be the best option, yet it should differ from crit (every class going in the same direction is, well just wrong :/)

Well don't you think increased speed on regen ticks is unique?

Whm mana efficiency is bad currently with the medica 2 nerf.
It would get worse with spell speed buff. PoM on a 3min cooldown is still lacking compared to the uptime of scholar spell speed . PoM could be 1 minute cd 10 seconds duration. reduces mana cost by 25% . You think whm being less reliant to ballad is overboard?

[Remilia_Nightfall]

medica 2 nerf

What nerf are you talking about?

The WHM in our team (and not only her) loves the Medica II change.

[sharazisspecial]

What nerf are you talking about?

The WHM in our team (and not only her) loves the Medica II change.

Medica 2 nerf has caused us to lose mana efficiency.

Pre patch medica 2 would be enough to heal aoe. 700 potency in 15 seconds is quick enough. Cost less then cure 3.
Post patch medica 2 is a buffer. We need to cast medica 2 + another aoe heal. Or pre medica 2 and another heal for next aoe. Since the new hot is too weak to heal up people before next aoe.

New medica 2 has its uses. But its a complete lie to say our mana efficiency has improved because its gotten worse.

Meanwhile SCH has one AoE and one pet AoE that never sees use and you have 3

You can generally tell who are the baby scholars. Because they make comments like this. Double sch heals every fight fine. Scholar has a shield niche that makes them invaluable.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Medica 2 nerf has caused us to lose mana efficiency.

Pre patch medica 2 would be enough to heal aoe. 700 potency in 15 seconds is quick enough. Cost less then cure 3.

Yeah, it was definitely enough for a single cast.

Post patch medica 2 is a buffer. We need to cast medica 2 + another aoe heal. Or pre medica 2 and another heal for next aoe. Since the new hot is too weak to heal up people before next aoe.

Well...I hope so. That's why you have two healers in raids.
A single SCH Succor (150 Potency, 300 considering shield, not stackable) by itself is also not enough, so what?

New medica 2 has its uses. But its a complete lie to say our mana efficiency has improved because its gotten worse.

So, it's a nerf as much as it is a buff. Thus, a change.

Of course you can focus your attention on the downsides only, but that's not rational.

[sharazisspecial]

Yeah, it was definitely enough for a single cast.

Scholar can afford to waste more mana. White mage can't. Changing medica 2 in this way "nerfed" our mana efficieny.

Scholar can spot heal people with fairy, physick and lustrate. If people are too low.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Scholar can afford to waste more mana. White mage can't. Scholar can spot heal people with fairy, physick and lustrate too.

So you are saying that spamming an AoE heal of 150 potency is "affordable"?

Ok.

And what the hell, WHM can spot heal with other Heals as well, what's your point? That WHM is boring? I can definitely agree with that, but that's all.

[YuiSasaki]

*snip*

Well, yes in my opinion one minute would go overboard, considering that your 30% extra heal has a 60sec cd, too, IF the benediction CD would be lowered to ~ 180sec.
A 90-120sec cd should suffice considering that you are wanting to implement a 25% cost reduce to that buff.
Keep in mind the SCH speed buff is a proc. A proc on crit, in other words more or less a "double proc".

I could not determine if the Faerie receives the secondary stats as well (havn't done much of a research tbh ^^).

Am i guessing right, that with "increased speed on regen ticks" you mean the time frame between each tick is reduced my spell speed?
Example: With no spell speed: One tick every 3sec over 21sec (totalling in 7 ticks)
With speed: One tick every 2.18sec over 15.26sec (totalling in 7 ticks)

If that is the case, then yes i'd welcome such a change.

[saeedaisspecial]

 Critical! Black Berry takes 7060 (+64%) damage.
I could not determine if the Faerie receives the secondary stats as well (havn't done much of a research tbh ^^).

Am i guessing right, that with "increased speed on regen ticks" you mean the time frame between each tick is reduced my spell speed?
Example: With no spell speed: One tick every 3sec over 21sec (totalling in 7 ticks)
With speed: One tick every 2.18sec over 15.26sec (totalling in 7 ticks)

If that is the case, then yes i'd welcome such a change.

*This is sharazisspecial i reached my daily*

Fairy embrace originally only received det and critical hit . Just like regen (i used to compare the two they are similar in a way)

However new patch buffed sch to let pet be affect by spell speed. including its own proc and its own buff. This buffs fairys healing output a bit.

Preferably regen would get extra ticks instead. Changing spell speed in the way you would make it double edge and force us to use more regens (but still quite good for tank healing). We already are pretty bad mana wise.

[Gamemako]

Yes, on a non-crit the Adloq shield equals the amount healed.
Yet, on a crit the Adloq shield equals the amount healed multiplied by 2.

Q: My SCH is still sub-40. I toyed with this before around level 35 and was not able to replicate the claimed result (my shield was still the amount displayed). Is this bonus supposed to come at some specific level?

(I am by no means a SCH expert. I can hardly bring myself to level it with the increasing need to micro the pet. I know what claims are made about various effects and have no specific reason to doubt them, but I wondered one day if it was a possible bug that was double-applying the 50% crit bonus, yet was not able to find any boost beyond crit amount.)