Free Companies disbandend due to FC houses?

[myahele]

I haven't read the info, but what are the benefits of FCs? I know we can craft airships, boats, etx in the future. But what about this upcoming 3-4 months before the next patch?

[ZohnoReecho]

I haven't read the info, but what are the benefits of FCs? I know we can craft airships, boats, etx in the future. But what about this upcoming 3-4 months before the next patch?

Use the /doze emote on the beds.

[Velveteer]

Open a game company and let's see how much you can promise and do beforehand, making everyone happy. I bet my testicles on the chopping board that you won't be able to and no other company out there can, small or big.

Don't make promises you can't keep.

[Krystalynn]

I haven't read the info, but what are the benefits of FCs? I know we can craft airships, boats, etx in the future. But what about this upcoming 3-4 months before the next patch?

That's the hilarious part... the part of the playerbase that would most enjoy FC housing are the small, friend-fueled and roleplaying communities in the game. The ones who typically aren't drowning in gil.

That small 15 person FC on Balmung that has been playing since somewhere in the middle of 1.0 and all came together, pooling a cool 5-6mill of their humble earnings for a chance to enjoy some sunsets together?

Completely and utterly boned.

[ZohnoReecho]

20 people from 1.0 with 5-6 mil total? when the story mode and the side quests give you around 300k? See what I mean when people hardly want to work for anything… I think the sims is a more suited mmo game.

not everyone stuck around and put up with a sh*tty game. Remember, it got canned? Brought down completely and overhauled? You know, all the effort in pushing something they had to fire their upper management over and overhaul for the past year or two?

I came in with 200k to my name and little more than an L32 gladiator from 1.0. Most of that went into replacing my 'dated' and statless gear, most of which I couldn't even wear anymore. I now have 4 L50 DOH/DOL crafting classes to fill in the skill gaps in my FC and only now am starting to see a light profit, having only another 100k to show for two months worth of work. And now I'm seeing everyone come out of the woodwork and flooding the market with whatever seems to be going for more than 100gil, and hardly anyone's buying.

300k is just from 2.0 story. I made 300k~ more just bringing miner and botanist to around 20, all the crafts at 15 and selling w/e I made. And this is a rough math without counting all the teleports and food I used.
Of course you can skip all the quests and missions if you want, but then don't blame the game.

Matsui that's working on FFXI promises a lot...and delivers. Hell, the 'Trust' magic system has smarter AIs than FFXIV's NPC AI so far. People that says "go make x" or "go open a game company" usually never have an argument to counter a valid point. I'd say it simply when someone says they can do better, Zourin didn't do as such.

Lol Trust, a forever alone mode, a function made to replace 3/4 of the server population who ran away because he wasn't able to keep the ship from sinking after the failure that adoulin was… please. Looks like you are here, too. Maybe those promises weren't enough for you.
Yoshida gave you the housing. If you do not accept the pricing because you don't want to pay for it, that's your issue. It's not meant as something that everyone can get and never will. Deal with it.

I'm a product manager for a software company. That is exactly what I do. Here's how I avoid this:

1. I don't over-promise
2. I deliver on promises made
3. I manage expectations

1. Yoshi overpromised (availability of housing)
2. The team did not deliver (it wasn't ready at launch and still really isn't ready- plus there aren't lots of recipes to make it a robust feature)
3. He completely mismanaged expectations with information related to pricing before the "big reveal" and sticker shock.

So stop with the denial. Part of the reason the problem is so bad isn't because of limitations, it's the problem the team CREATED with their mistakes.

The team went from an open and transparent development methodology to this... misinformation spreading, herky jerky delayed development, rehash content team. It's as if all the team knows how to do is fix other people's mistakes, but not innovate new content.

The remake was amazing... but I feel like it's starting to spiral...

1. can you tell me where yoshida said that it would be something that everyone could get and for cheap?
2. can you tell me what the current version is missing that was promised for 2.1? there aren't a lot of recipes? start counting again. if you told w/e you work for to never release their software until they added the functions that would be available 3 months later, you probably would have been fired already.
3. I think people should stop imagining how something is it's released. if you are a product manager you probably also know that you cannot and shouldn't accommodate whatever your customer say if you want to keep something worthy.

[Zourin]

20 people from 1.0 with 5-6 mil total? when the story mode and the side quests give you around 300k? See what I mean when people hardly want to work for anything… I think the sims is a more suited mmo game.

not everyone stuck around and put up with a sh*tty game. Remember, it got canned? Brought down completely and overhauled? You know, all the effort in pushing something they had to fire their upper management over and overhaul for the past year or two?

I came in with 200k to my name and little more than an L32 gladiator from 1.0. Most of that went into replacing my 'dated' and statless gear, most of which I couldn't even wear anymore. I now have 4 L50 DOH/DOL crafting classes to fill in the skill gaps in my FC and only now am starting to see a light profit, having only another 100k to show for two months worth of work. And now I'm seeing everyone come out of the woodwork and flooding the market with whatever seems to be going for more than 100gil, and hardly anyone's buying.

It's an open season yard sale right now on the marketboards, and the only ones making gil are the bots.

[myahele]

Luckily the cheapest house is 4 mil gil, but how many members are willing to shell out that amount in the upcoming month when personal housing may come along in 6m time?

The fact that you can get approx lv 40 + mats from vendors = gathering/ crafting class must sell below those npc prices in the LONG run.

[Krystalynn]

Luckily the cheapest house is 4 mil gil, but how many members are willing to shell out that amount in the upcoming month when personal housing *may come along in 6m time?

The fact that you can get approx lv 40 + mats from vendors = gathering/ crafting class must sell below those npc prices in the LONG run.

20 Million on Balmung. If it was 4 million, there may be less of an uproar, but the legacy servers having most of the old players also means they brought a lot of new friends, and now you have a lot of people from post 2.0 and pre alike stuck with the smallest available plot being anywhere from 20-25 million gil.

[Zourin]

if it was 4, or even 8 million for a small on Sargatanas, I wouldn't be riling up my poo-flinging attack monkey.
If the game was the same for everyone, regardless of what server you played on, I wouldn't be riling up my poo-flinging attack monkey.

Instead, we get a mixed-message apology letter and an FC full of completley demoralized adventurers who all immediately got their gil donations refunded. Nobody wants to even talk about FC housing, it's such an unrealistic hurdle for what is otherwise a great team of guys willing to come up short and put in a reasonable amount of work to make up the difference

Nobody cares anymore what the prices are in 3 months, people are scared sh*tless about the 20M starting prices and guessing what personal housing is going to cost. They've stopped thinking about an FC hall entirely, and bringing up the subject is an easy way to get the entire teamspeak channel to go quiet for an hour.

[LoLo]

I'm waiting for personal housing.