Summoner got destroyed this patch

[Kevee]

I feel like I should ask you this Kevee, before you use up all your daily posts replying to nonsense. :P What do you think about Summoner's DPS standings with the other classes once 2.1 hits? Below Monk I'm sure because they're getting buffed to be even broken than SMN was before this patch. But do you think Dragoons will surpass us in ST as well? What about BLM's now? (I know that some of these vary a lot depending on encounter but I would love just a general opinion from you. since I hold your Summoner posts/opinions pretty highly)

It is not going to be something where we're useless. We'll still be the top DPS on, say, turn 5, because that fight is so tuned for us. All these people doomsaying either never paid attention to maximize their class, or just think "nerf=useless."

If someone(Kalandros) had read my other posts, I said that SMN could have used some numbers adjusted down--About as much as we're losing from not having Thunder(10%), but the fact is they're doing it wrong. It's making the class have less of a skill cap, and more boring. I don't need to cast Ruin more--I do it enough already. It's boring.

Managing timers and DoTs is why I fell in love with SMN. I love how, depending on transitions, you use your judgement to maximize DPS based on timers. The removal of Thunder is going to limit that, and while I still won't be playing any other class(or leaving the game), I did bump my 3 month subscription down to 1 month. I'll still be playing SMN, and subscribing, but if it CONTINUES in this pattern I will not.

My rankings would be MNK > BLM(depending on RNG) >(Slightly) BLM=DRG=SMN > BRD.
On live, it's currently SMN > MNK=BLM(RNG) > BLM > DRG > BRD.
As you can see, it's a huge shift, and in my opinion it is more balanced(but with MNK being too strong), but the way they went about it is wrong.

I don't get the slightly, care to elaborate?

What do you think about....sayyyy Turns 1,2, and 4?

Slightly greater than, there was no way to put that in neat. Good BLM RNG doesn't add THAT much DPS, unless it's OBSCENELY good, but it would be noticeable over those lower than it.

Turn 1 we'll still be winners. Multi-Dotting is what we can still do, Turn 2 and 4 we'll lose out a lot compared to live. On those, it would be better just to bring a BLM.

I understand you somewhat. If the DPS are the same/only slightly different why would you bring the person with the ramp up over the instant burst that deals with most mechanics better. right?

See, speaking specifically about T5--You would bring a SMN with the entire encounter timer to mind, and you would bring a BLM if you wanted to complete the mechanics. So a SMN would be better for a farm/geared group, and a BLM would be better for a group progressing/not as geared.

A DPS drop isn't enough to ruin our viability, even if its a big one. The change in the boots is much worse.

This is something I want to post against.
The actual changing of the boots isn't bad--We'll lose, maybe, .5% DPS. That's right, POINT FIVE PERCENT DPS.
It's the precedent it sets that is scary.
Why does it value GUARANTEED ITEMS over RNG drops?
Why is it changing an ACCURACY piece that ALL classes need?
Why is it changing a piece of gear that TWO jobs have access to, when one of the jobs has the EXACT same piece only THEY have access to?
All of these questions were answered, and not in a good way.

[Nemhy]

My rankings would be MNK > BLM(depending on RNG) >(Slightly) BLM=DRG=SMN > BRD.

I don't get the slightly, care to elaborate? Yea I hear you...it really dumbs the class down with having to keep all the dots up. If you slip up once you either lost a DoT of screwed the duration timers up. Have you seen what they did with Virus and Rain of Death? This plus the Thunder change really shows that they want to "dumb down" the combat even more than it already was. (compared to the previous FF14 IMO. latest patch before it went down of course). Not only do we have a whole lack of timer to worry about. But there are no more Virus Rotations, no more Brd weaving in RoD...it's become a 1 2 3 4 game unless you play Dragoon or Monk. Which isn't right or fair to the people who picked Summoner because it was a bit more complex to play with.

What do you think about....sayyyy Turns 1,2, and 4?

[Wolfenkritter]

This is something I want to post against.
The actual changing of the boots isn't bad--We'll lose, maybe, .5% DPS. That's right, POINT FIVE PERCENT DPS.
It's the precedent it sets that is scary.
Why does it value GUARANTEED ITEMS over RNG drops?
Why is it changing an ACCURACY piece that ALL classes need?
Why is it changing a piece of gear that TWO jobs have access to, when one of the jobs has the EXACT same piece only THEY have access to?
All of these questions were answered, and not in a good way.

That was the point I wanted to make, but 1000 char limit got in the way, so I couldn't elaborate.

Garuda-Egi has a high accuracy requirement. Changing the boots makes reaching it a pain.