Turn 2 "easy mode", disables every mechanic in the fight

[waldo]

Who exactly gets to deem this 'enrage'? I'm pretty sure this method wasn't envisioned by SE, but the track record pretty much makes this ok.

If people entered turn 2 with this method before we all figured out we could do with 2 tanks and swap stacks and pass rot around would people still be complaining? "omg we can speed run turn two and don't have to wait for the 62 minute mark to fight it! 10 minute clear!!"

It's different but within the mechanics of the game, deal. I love there's more than one way to do these instances:
Solo tank cad? Great it's been done and yoshi said its ok!
Run WP in 10 minutes? Have at it it's completely cool!
Wanna kill Titan with 3 healers and 1 tank? Wanna kill Titan with 3 tanks and 1 healer? It's been done and the game didn't die!!

Just deal people, if you wanna find another way to kill ads, fine... Do it and cope, stop the complaining finally, it seems never ending on these boards.

[Tadacho]

Twintania won't be facerolled until more turns of coil comes out, and only then is 1-5 "outdated" content.

Hence "in a few months time".

If you have no aspirations of clearing T5 as it stands right now that's fine but don't speak for the whole player base.

I have every intention and have already attempted. Practise what you preach and don't speak for me.

it serves no purpose other than making the fight easier mechanics wise and it's really stupid to compare it to WP runs.

In a WP SR you skip mobs and lock them out of boss fights. Not only is this skipping mechanics but this is a more direct exploit than the idea of waiting for a boss enemy to enter its soft-enrage mode, which you are able to survive because you specifically created a party setup beforehand. That is not an exploit. It is a strategy.

[Tadacho]

If you want to compare coil to WP compare turn 3 which most people run though (myself included) as there is no point to fighting the enemies.

So again, skipping mechanics. You condone it here because, oh, you do it, but in turn 2 it's sad and pathetic because, oh, you didn't do it.

For people who are mastering the T5 mechanics the idea of having to skip mechanics on ADS is just really sad.

Yeah, people tend to be butthurt when ezmode strats are discovered for content they had to do "the hard way".

I can keep hearing the opinion "ADS is so easy, it's kind of sad people have to skip them." Um, the trash mobs in WP are easy, but we still sleep and skip them. How sad and pathetic of us.

Everyone against this strategy is a hypocrite, assuming of course you haven't ever skipped a mob or locked something out or burnt Garuda down past her plume phase (hello, mechanic skipping!)

[SarcasmMisser]

When did I ever say it's an exploit? I agree it isn't an exploit and you should check out my other posts on it. It's a soft-enrage which is 100% meant to be survivable for a limited time and logically if you are out of the gear and composition the fight is tuned for you can milk it even further.

I disagree on the strategy being useful, unlike WP speed-run routes. I really cannot give two hoots if something is done "legit" or not, but the enrage strat's only positive is that you don't have to deal with mechanics most people have on clockwork anyway, everything else is a negative. Don't confuse me with other posts.

Ugh like seriously, the only way a WP comparison makes sense if you're some weirdo who cares about the principal of doing mechanics. WP is a total joke and should be treated as such, coil is the only end game content at the moment. Like do you seriously believe people skip WP mechanics because it's too hard? It's not the same as T2 at all because the entire purpose of the strat in T2 is because the mechanics are hard. Get some perspective damn.

[Tadacho]

When did I ever say it's an exploit?

I didn't say you said it was an exploit. I said that locking out mobs in WP is essentially skipping mechanics, then added that it's also more of an exploit than this, which I would not consider an exploit, yet that is considered absolutely fine, no questions asked.

the enrage strat's only positive is that you don't have to deal with mechanics most people have on clockwork anyway, everything else is a negative.

I agree with you. Though I do think it's useful for groups with a weak link or struggling PUGs.

I don't care about the principal of skipping mechanics at all. I skip mobs and have used several other mechanic-skipping strats on other instances.

My posts are really in response to the discussion around here that a lot of people are putting out that they do care about skipping mechanics on Turn 2, but doing it everywhere else is okay. I'm not directing this at you, but I think it's a lot of hypocrisy.

[Illya]

If Squenix decides this was not intended, they'll patch it so ADS wipes the party on enrage. If they decide it's perfectly okay, then they'll leave it as is.

I can't imagine how a party which NEEDS to do this method to pass Turn 2 will ever pass Turn 4, but hey. They can at least go and look at the Elevator of Death.

[ninthfantasy]

I got really excited by this yesterday (I've been out the raiding loop for a while) and my FC were due to raid 1-4 last night, so I was like yeah! I'll suggest this! ... fast forward I completely forgot it and we absolutely sailed through it doing it the normal way. It's a cool method, but as discussed, you probably need to be geared up to the eyeballs for it, as well as it being really taxing on the healers. I mean if your group can do it, then by all means do, but I think the usual way is easier...

[Astarica]

No MMORPG I know of ever asked players to define what an exploit is, and at any rate whether you call it an unintended mechanism or an exploit really doesn't matter because you have no rights in a MMORPG, so if SE wants to do something about this it doesn't matter what players think to begin with. An enrage of any kind is meant to kill your party in a very short time (like under 10 seconds). If they do not it just means whoever designed it was dumb. But since no dev is going to say, "We're too dumb to figure out how to make a boss automatically kill everyone' you instead get this standard spin of 'players are creative!' to save face.

But if history is any indication, it'd take at least 3 months before this gets fixed even if you start bumping it every day, especially given this is a fairly trivial issue compared to the other things SE ought to be working on.

[Sevokevo_Royuki]

I wonder how long itr will take before the Dev team said that it was not what they planned then Adjust ADS in the Next patch or something..

As far as I am concern it is not a exploit but I feel that that this is out and in the air that it might get changed to where you can't do this.

EDIT: At the same time they might not adjusted as you have to be well geared to pulled this win out, so who knows. :/

[Noahlimits]

So again, skipping mechanics. You condone it here because, oh, you do it, but in turn 2 it's sad and pathetic because, oh, you didn't do it.

Just to point something out, a forum moderator said it was not an exploit to lock out the enemies via sleep etc in WP. You can probably find the thread with the search feature.

I just would wait until they do a similar thing for this before doing it.