Turn 2 "easy mode", disables every mechanic in the fight

[Noroi_Kisaragi]

So apparantly as my static discovered this morning, ADS' "rage mode" is an absolute joke. It's not punishing at all, and it disables every other mechanic in the fight.

So you walk into the fight and pull at 1 click remaining. If the clicks run out before allagan rot appears, this happens...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwfEV...ature=youtu.be

With 3 healers, 1 tank, and the rest DPS, the fight is cake. You don't need to dodge, you don't need to silence, you don't need to take or pass rot, you don't need to worry about tank stacks or tanking period, you don't even need to move. Just deal damage and heal. That's it. If your DPS and heals are on point you should win with no difficulty. You DO need geared dps/heals for this. So don't expect to win with just regular relic or anything like that.

This video was from the healer's perspective (big shoutout to Koeta for recording, my capture card died mid-record) . However, I do not feel that this is an exploit. I would call it a clever use of game mechanics, but if Square Enix intended the clicks running out to be game over, it would have just nuked the party and be an instant kill. This would the equivalent of a titan rage mode where he does nothing but stomp. So I wouldn't quickly call it an "exploit".

However, I would have to ask the forums. Would you consider this an exploit or not? What are your thoughts on this method and its utility?

[Nura]

Not an exploide since you are not using Mechanics to your advantage. Just the fastes and easiest way to kill.

[Quiz]

Not an exploide since you are not using Mechanics to your advantage. Just the fastest and easiest way to kill.

If your group is able to go 1/1 then it isn't faster. I'd assume the majority of statics are at a 1/1 rate on T1-3 at least by now.

[flavored]

Since when using mechanics to your advantage was an exploit if I might ask.

[RowanLauron]

Since when using mechanics to your advantage was an exploit if I might ask.

That's the definition of an exploit. Intentional use of game mechanics to your advantage that aren't meant to be done.

That is only true however if SE deems it so. We used this tactic last week and it's intense, but not very "difficult". If you are a healer, it's more nerve racking but not really. I was whm.

I'm 99.9% sure it will be changed in 2.1. Probably some kind of stacking debuff every time he uses the ability that increases damage done to the player.

[zPanda]

That's the definition of an exploit. Intentional use of game mechanics to your advantage that aren't meant to be done.

That is only true however if SE deems it so. We used this tactic last week and it's intense, but not very "difficult". If you are a healer, it's more nerve racking but not really. I was whm.

I'm 99.9% sure it will be changed in 2.1. Probably some kind of stacking debuff every time he uses the ability that increases damage done to the player.

This doesn't make sense lol. How can using game mechanics to your advantage be an "exploit" ? An exploit IMHO would be something were you are taking advantage of some glitch/bug to break the mechanics of the game itself - for example, the exploit that existed previously on Titan HM where a WHM would fall of the edge and then spam heals from outside the arena causing Titan to just sit there.


By your definition, all Garuda Speed-runs would be an "exploit" too since killing the plumes would be considered part of the game mechanic. A "normal" party would need to kill the plumes to keep the rocks up - that was the original design of that fight. However, all speed-run groups these days completely ignore the plumes and just use overgeared DPS to make the plumes a non-issue.

[RowanLauron]

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Well...that is the definition of an exploit...using game mechanics to your advantage that was not intended. But like I said in my post. It's not an exploit until SE says it is.

I'm not saying the enrage on T2 is an exploit, but I can see how SE might think it is. It's an enrage...meaning the boss goes berserk and we aren't meant to survive it under normal circumstances.

On a different note, you could say locking mobs out of boss rooms ( WP for example) is an exploit. I honestly don't think SE intended us to skip mobs like that, but I may be wrong. I don't report anyone for doing it as I do it myself, but others I have DF'd with report me and my friends and tell us we're cheating. Also sleeping the treasure hunters to avoid those 2 tons at the beginning and delaying the stalker can be an exploit too.

[Defmetal]

It's not even a glitch. I actually like the strategy because it allows for more melee to participate and it makes for less stressful PUGs on my alt.

[Esmian]

Enrages that don't do increased damage or instant wipes is just a silly thing in general exploit or not.

[saber_alter]

Enrages that don't do increased damage or instant wipes is just a silly thing in general exploit or not.

agreed. should have made ADS explode or lazer the entire room.