Light/full Party buff

[Choc]

Sorry I couldnt find a dev tag for this that fit.

The party buff was a change I didnt like which was added about a month ago. Basically it gives a pretty hefty buff for everyone in your party which includes hp/mp and a huge increase in accuracy. I didnt see the need for this, I understand they decreased the party cap from 15 to 8, and while the nms were still very doable with 8 people I can see how some people might find it difficult.

However they seriously nerfed all the nms anyway. It feels like its something that makes balancing even more confusing. They want the game to be soloable so mobs need to be easy enough for 1 person, but we need content that is still challenging for 8 people. I just didnt understand the need for this change.

My biggest complaint though was how it was added. It needs to have some rules or restrictions to it. Although im not a fan of the buff in the first place I really feel it would benefit (mostly for future content) if it had a limited range and a level restriction.

Looking ahead I dont think its right for groups to add crafters and rank 5 friends that are messing around in uldah just to get a buff while they are doing something like the upcoming dungeons. I can also see every party made just filling up their group with afkers so they can get that extra hundred hp/mp and 5% accuracy.

I would like to see only people in the same zone and within a 10 level difference count towards the party bonus.

[Rentahamster]

I would just recommend that they get rid of it entirely.

[Frebaut]

Hmm some good points in their but...

Not sure why you would be in different zones if you were in a party unless you were just using it for talking. Does it ruin your gameplay if people do this? You would never know if they have a buff unless your in the party with them.

As for me i could care less about the buff. we get 4 people cool, 8 i'm good with that also. What others do i couldn't care less. Maybe later SE might tweak it a bit but not now. They have to much other items their Designing and trying to fix.

[Chardrizard]

why do people act as if current NM is going to be the only content and upcoming NMs going to be as easy as current NMs?

[Choc]

Hmm some good points in their but...

Not sure why you would be in different zones if you were in a party unless you were just using it for talking. Does it ruin your gameplay if people do this? You would never know if they have a buff unless your in the party with them.

As for me i could care less about the buff. we get 4 people cool, 8 i'm good with that also. What others do i couldn't care less. Maybe later SE might tweak it a bit but not now. They have to much other items their Designing and trying to fix.

It has to do with balancing. If content does indeed become difficult people are going to look for every advantage they can have. If they are doing something with 4 people they can just add in 4 crafters in their LS giving them a full party buff instead of the light buff. I can see this becoming the norm and eventually every group will end up doing this (assuming of course the content is worth the hastle). I just think some restrictions are necessary and really dont think it would be difficult at all to do.

[Choc]

why do people act as if current NM is going to be the only content and upcoming NMs going to be as easy as current NMs?

If you had read I was mainly referring to people filling their group with non important people for future content, I wasnt talking about our current nms as they dont justify the hastle. If there isnt any restriction on level/range they might as well give light party the same buff as full.

[Punxsutawney]

The buff is ok, but should not be automatic just for having 4 or 8 people in the party. How it should be is this: If you make a party and it has 4-7 members, the party leader gets a command to use "Bolster Morale," which when used gives the same buff as it is now, for 15 minutes and can be used every 30 minutes. In an 8 man party, the command changes to "Waring Cry" and gives the 8 man party buff as it is now for 15 min, and can be used for every 30 minutes.
To make it so you people can't abuse it just by making someone else the leader after they used the buff command, all SE would have to do is make it so Waring Cry can only overwrite Bolster Morale. That way, bolster morale doesn't overwrite another bolster morale and Waring Cry can not overwrite another Waring Cry.

[Chardrizard]

If you had read I was mainly referring to people filling their group with non important people for future content, I wasnt talking about our current nms as they dont justify the hastle. If there isnt any restriction on level/range they might as well give light party the same buff as full.

I see your point but 5% isnt going to break the game to be honest, you won't just suddenly beat an NM with 5% more accuracy. If anything i feel the buff is more like morale boost to make you feel stronger in party thus encourage partying.

[Choc]

I see your point but 5% isnt going to break the game to be honest, you won't just suddenly beat an NM with 5% more accuracy. If anything i feel the buff is more like morale boost to make you feel stronger in party thus encourage partying.

I cant remember the exact number, but believe it is a few hundred hp/mp and a 5% boost in accuracy. Its not going to make the game a bunch easier, but if your having a hard time in a dungeon and trying to obtain something special whats stopping people from filling that group? Every little bit helps after all and a couple hundred hp is actually a pretty big boost compared to how much we get, most pieces of gear doesnt even get more than 40 hp on it at high rank.

[Chardrizard]

I cant remember the exact number, but believe it is a few hundred hp/mp and a 5% boost in accuracy. Its not going to make the game a bunch easier, but if your having a hard time in a dungeon and trying to obtain something special whats stopping people from filling that group? Every little bit helps after all and a couple hundred hp is actually a pretty big boost compared to how much we get, most pieces of gear doesnt even get more than 40 hp on it at high rank.

so we agree that the buff isnt really overpowered or anything, why put more restrictions on something that is barely matters? don't get me wrong, im not disagreeing with your idea of getting the buff if you are in rank range and zone, I just dont see it to be trivial at all, it's not something that is abuse-able.