I hope PvP nerfs does not Effect PvE.

[Icarian]

http://zantetsuken.net/news/ffxiv-up...and-mage-roles

Search that for pvp and you'll see where he says it.

"In regards to PvP situations, being able to cast spells while moving disrupts the balance."

Fair enough, I still stand on what I said though, even if PvP wasn't going to be implemented I don't think it would be balanced if a BLM could dodge while throwing spells away, not with its current damage output at least.

Same with healing, content would be too easy if a WHM could cast cures and medicas while dodging.

And to stay on topic, I don't think we'll have to worry very much about balance issues between PvE and PvP as they don't share the same skills/gear, The only thing that worries me is the netcode, right now as a melee it's almost impossible to hit a moving target, also, you can interrump a BLMs cast by simply going on his back/side, and if they make it so casters are able to cast without LoS I feel it would be kind of unbalanced, It'll be interesting to see how they're going to deal with that.

[CamAlch]

Personally, I have always been against any kind of nerfs, this include the upcoming Bards nerf. I rather see 8 Jobs buffed than see one get nerfed to the ground (or even a slight nerf).

I understand what you are trying to get at, but this makes no sense. It's all about balance. Right now Bard is out of balance with the other classes, there is no doubt about that. So the easiest way to fix that is to adjust Bard, not adjust ALL of other classes which would then in turn throw all of the games content out of balance.

Nerfs will always piss people off, but they are necessary from time to time whether of not we like to see them happen. Its about the bigger picture, which is sometimes difficult to see as a player.

[Yuppiekin]

That was one of many reasons and only a small part of his overall reasoning.

It is. That's why I posted the entire interview link. It's pretty lengthy.

[MomoOG]

Nerf bard giggity giggity.

[Tupsi]

Wait, what? it was changed because a BLM and other casters being able to move while casting would be overpowered as fuck in PVE with the 2.0 mechanics, it had nothing to with PvP.

Overpowered....BLM is still overpowered and 'face target'? That was also done for PvP. I don't think you actually remember the full reason they changed every spec - Fyi, moving and casting isn't OP in PvE, especially back in 1.x, it is however OP in pvp.

[Felis]

Well it already has effected pve. What a lot of 2.0 players don't know is mages use to be move and cast. Which was changed solely on the belief that it was going to be over powered in pvp. So instead of a compromise like in eqoa having a Mage at least be able to walk and cast not run they just made it you can't move even worse if some one sprint and just gets behind you before you cast your spell is cancelled.

That was already changed in 1.20 (or was it 1.21)?
Has nothing to do with PvP

edit: yes, it got changed in 1.21 already
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post570962

[Tupsi]

That was already changed in 1.20 (or was it 1.21)?
Has nothing to do with PvP

Yes it does - He stated explicitly that the changes in 1.x were ground work for ARR and PvP in the future. You'll have separate skills for PvP that much is true, but the battle specs are going to be the same. I don't know if you fully remember or not but he said basically everything done in 1.x wa for the future of 2.0 (ARR), they wouldn't have kept developing 1.x if it was just to fade to nothing lol in 7 months lol.

Think about it - Did they really give us a completely new job system for a few months to keep 30k people happy? Or was it obviously framework for the relaunch?

[Acaelus]

Yes it does - He stated explicitly that the changes in 1.x were ground work for ARR and PvP in the future. You'll have separate skills for PvP that much is true, but the battle specs are going to be the same. I don't know if you fully remember or not but he said basically everything done in 1.x wa for the future of 2.0 (ARR), they wouldn't have kept developing 1.x if it was just to fade to nothing lol in 7 months lol.

Think about it - Did they really give us a completely new job system for a few months to keep 30k people happy? Or was it obviously framework for the relaunch?

Seems legit.

[raelgun]

LOL, if you think most mmos nerf a spec due to pvp, you couldnt be more wrong, most nerfs have been born from PVE, the most complaints and demand for nerfs is from PVE, take it from someone who plays a few mmos and does both pve and pvp, the pve nerfs are felt more strongly to pvp then the other way around since its mostly control based abilities that are affected not damage.
the biggest issue in mmos is ego, and where is that shown most of all, numbers, especially DPS numbers, people want to play a class they enjoy most and invested in, and importantly, they want to be number 1, if they arent, what do you think they ask for?

should also add, once dps meters addons become available, you will see this happening more, and its the PVErs that you want to be worried about, not pvp players, read any other mmo forums, you will see the mostly vocal lot asking for nerfs to other classes because they do so much more damage then them and they cant take that, seriously go read wow, rift forums, mostly because they have dps meter addons that work.

[Alhanelem]

pvp has separate skills

you still have your normal skills. The PvP skills are extra, and they're designed to address inherent balance issues that arise from PvP combat. If there are further balance issues, they can adjust the new skills or add more.

Personally, I have always been against any kind of nerfs, this include the upcoming Bards nerf. I rather see 8 Jobs buffed than see one get nerfed to the ground (or even a slight nerf).

As cool as it seems to buff everything else when one thing is too strong, this creates a colossal power creep issue where everybody gets more powerful every time a balance issue comes up, and eventually they hit a cieling where they can't increase everyone's power anymore without causing a problem.

Nerfs are necessary as unfun as they might be. A buff-only policy would be highly unsustainable. The devs have a specific target for the strength of the classes. If a class is performing below that target, they get a buff. If the class is performing above that target, they get a nerf. Simple. It is not a case of "Hm, who should we piss off today. I know, lets nerf the bards! That'll send them into a hilarious rage!"