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    I hope PvP nerfs does not Effect PvE.

    Patch 2.1 is close, soon a swarm of "OMG OP, NERF NOWZ" threads are incoming with the usual end of the world threads in increased volumes. Such prediction is not a speculation, most of us have seen it happen in every single MMO, and I'm 99.998% sure it will happen here without any doubt in my mind.

    I have no idea how SE are going to handle it or if they have a special system in place for it. However, there is one thing any FF 11 player knows, when SE nerfs a class/job, they don't just nerf they literally break it into uselessness. If memory serve me right, other MMO devs nerf hard but they have nothing on SE.

    Personally, I have always been against any kind of nerfs, this include the upcoming Bards nerf. I rather see 8 Jobs buffed than see one get nerfed to the ground (or even a slight nerf). PvP does not interest me personally as I get my fair share of PvP from Dota 2. My fears are nerfs might reflect on PvE, and suddenly a good wanted job in Coil is no longer wanted due to a nerf that happened for PvP. Veteran MMO players have also seen this before, DEV decide to nerf a class for PvP and end up turning it useless for PvE.

    I really hope & wish I'm wrong.

    SE, please, Buff and don't nerf. Please, be gentle.

    P.S.

    "OMG SMN OP, DOTS AND KITE WHILE GRUDA EATS FACE, GGWP SE, NERF NOOW". I called it .
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    pvp has separate skills
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    Quote Originally Posted by IzumiRaito View Post
    pvp has separate skills
    you still have your normal skills. The PvP skills are extra, and they're designed to address inherent balance issues that arise from PvP combat. If there are further balance issues, they can adjust the new skills or add more.

    Personally, I have always been against any kind of nerfs, this include the upcoming Bards nerf. I rather see 8 Jobs buffed than see one get nerfed to the ground (or even a slight nerf).
    As cool as it seems to buff everything else when one thing is too strong, this creates a colossal power creep issue where everybody gets more powerful every time a balance issue comes up, and eventually they hit a cieling where they can't increase everyone's power anymore without causing a problem.

    Nerfs are necessary as unfun as they might be. A buff-only policy would be highly unsustainable. The devs have a specific target for the strength of the classes. If a class is performing below that target, they get a buff. If the class is performing above that target, they get a nerf. Simple. It is not a case of "Hm, who should we piss off today. I know, lets nerf the bards! That'll send them into a hilarious rage!"
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    Last edited by Alhanelem; 12-09-2013 at 02:09 AM.

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    Serious? that is awesome if true.
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    it's what wow should of done long ago but bliz thought the people that play that game were to dumb to learn more spells.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimsonforce View Post
    it's what wow should of done long ago but bliz thought the people that play that game were to dumb to learn more spells.....
    Well aren't you a shining example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimsonforce View Post
    it's what wow should of done long ago but bliz knew the people that play that game were to dumb to learn more spells.....
    F.T.F.Y.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hik0 View Post
    F.T.F.Y.
    lol thank you
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    And they have said repeatedly that classes will be balanced separately based on what is going on in pvp/pve. So if smns are too strong in pvp but weak in pve then PvP will get a nerf while pve will be buffed. Or vice versa. Yoshi-p stated that he always hated that one side had to suffer for the other and it divides a community.

    Now he won't have to hear complaints about how pvp is ruining pve or how pve is ruining pvp. It's a system I wished more games had thought of.
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    No more cast bars for Bard! Thank you, Yoshi-P! All hail our lord and savior!

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