How to release raid content for both casual and hard core players every patch.

[Shizzaren]

I've been playing 30+hrs a week since launch and I haven't even attempted coil. I've had plenty to do with leveling alternates and crafting. I just don't see the hurry. It's not a race.

For some it is. You don't decide how others plays the game.. For some the joy of gaming is to get server/world firsts, while you can enjoy simply crafting and levelling alts, but 95% of community calls that boring (since it's essentially an endless grind). Level 50 has 1 huge grind also when u arrive, but after the DL grind its just to do the 300 myth cap each week, whereas u get 150-200myth in like 1 hour from coil.

People play the game differently, and SE should try to make everyone happy, which does not require any extra work, just a bit change of plans on the difficulty of content, and follow what the OP here said.

[Shug]

I like how people are using the term 'hardcore' and 'casual.' They aren't correct. The terms you're looking for are 'good players' and 'bad players.'
It's far enough into the game that anyone who can't down BC is bad.

SE is catering to bad players who lack basic motor skills, not 'casual' players. Even 'casual' players are already working on Turn 5.

You sir, are a true idiot. Thats like saying people that have lives and those that don't. Some of us have jobs and don't have 8-10 hours a day to play a game.

[Mcshiggs]

I was being facetious, of course not everyone quit.The point still stands pretty strongly that people are quiting over this and by latching on to the arguement "Well MY guild is still playing!" means very little to the overall arguement of my post and the feelings of many others. I quit the day the announced CT and their intent on not making the game fun for free companies and people wanting to play more than a monday. This thread was lacking in comprehension of that fact so I spoke up about the reality.

You quit, yet you are still here whining. You say you have cleared all the content in the game, but conjurer is the only class you have over 35, there are more classes/jobs, crafting and gathering you can level, even if you don't want to, it is still content that they designed that you are choosing not to take part in. It seems to me you only want to play Monday, then cry the rest of the week, because there is still quite a bit you can do.

[permbanned]

You quit, yet you are still here whining. You say you have cleared all the content in the game, but conjurer is the only class you have over 35, there are more classes/jobs, crafting and gathering you can level, even if you don't want to, it is still content that they designed that you are choosing not to take part in. It seems to me you only want to play Monday, then cry the rest of the week, because there is still quite a bit you can do.

Has it ever occurred to you that he's still posting in hopes that SE changes their direction because he really wants to enjoy the game and would prefer not to leave?

And by the way, leveling classes is NOT content. And before you check me on the lodestone and tell me "blah blah, lv44 CNJ is your highest job" this isn't my main character. I've played since 1.0 release and have 50 in everything with T5 completed and I feel the same way he does.

[Mcshiggs]

And by the way, leveling classes is NOT content.

Quests are content, leveling each job and class comes with it's own set of quests, making leveling classes content. It may not be the content you want but it is still content people are choosing not to do, then complaining there isn't enough to keep them busy. Some people like raiding, some people like the story, some like everything, SE is putting stuff out for everybody, not just one group, if you choose not to participate in part of it, that is on you not them. You may have been one of those that fate grinded every job to 50 in a couple days, and skipped the story on the quests and just ran to where the map told you to go, for people like that leveling isn't content, and for people like that I don't care about your opinion when you complain about lack of content.

[Liander]

Has it ever occurred to you that he's still posting in hopes that SE changes their direction because he really wants to enjoy the game and would prefer not to leave?

That's the thing. This game had such great potential: I really wanted it to prosper. The sad thruth is they don't seem to be capable in doing so.

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You seem to be incappable of looking passed the surface of things. I'd call myself hardcore player. If I felt the desire I could have maxed everything 3-5x over. My choice not to doesn't some how expand the content of this game infinitely that in six months when the OP proposed changes could go in to effect that I'd some how be interested in this game. That goes for a lot of people who don't just play the game for 1-49 but want to enjoy reaching the end of their characters "training" and doing real grown up hero things. They invested way too heavily into the leveling, which itself is very poor just being a fate grind, and almost nothing but incompentence into the end game and kept this trend into 2.1.

[permbanned]

Quests are content, leveling each job and class comes with it's own set of quests, making leveling classes content. It may not be the content you want but it is still content people are choosing not to do, then complaining there isn't enough to keep them busy. Some people like raiding, some people like the story, some like everything, SE is putting stuff out for everybody, not just one group, if you choose not to participate in part of it, that is on you not them. You may have been one of those that fate grinded every job to 50 in a couple days, and skipped the story on the quests and just ran to where the map told you to go, for people like that leveling isn't content, and for people like that I don't care about your opinion when you complain about lack of content.

No, I came here with all 50s already and read all the main story and every single class and job quest, which really only took a few weeks to go through it all. Some were good, some were just terrible. I didn't just fate grind everything like you assume I did, but whatever.

And seriously, this happens all the f'n time. When someone doesn't have all their classes leveled people like you tell them "hey why don't you level your classes!" but when they do you come back with "derp, you rushed through the game and fate grinded everything." Like, really? Are you serious?

And what I find extremely funny is this

And yet the casual argument is always "because it's what I want you to want."

I see this over and over and over again. Hardcores want stuff to do and don't care what casuals get, because they know they'll always get something. But casuals don't want hardcores to have anything, period. They want hardcore players to play the game exactly the same way they do, and even tell them that "this is what you should enjoy doing."

Don't believe me? Read all the "you should be leveling alt classes" or "you played too fast" or "maybe you should go outside or get a job" posts, because it's always the same shit. I'm so sick of this already.

Posted in this exact thread...

Thank you for proving my point.

Are you going to tell me to go outside and get a job next? Because I own my own business. Or tell me to quit? That's a common one too.

[Acaelus]

This is why we don't have nice things.

[Mcshiggs]

If I felt the desire I could have maxed everything 3-5x over.

But you didn't, what you need to be crying about is that there isn't enough endgame content, because there is plenty of content you are refusing to participate in. So basically you want SE to cater exclusively to you, someone that wants to rush through the game on a single job and completely ignore the armory function, something the game was built around, just to rush more content out for you. I have all 50's from 1.0, I run coil, but I still find plenty to do, it doesn't all have to be progression content for me, but I knew this game wasn't going to be all about that. If you would have read any of the many interviews about the game while they were making it, you would see that they planned on releasing new content every few months, and making older content easier over time so that the "casuals" could do it. You would also have read that Crystal Tower was supposed to be out with release, and the Coil was supposed to be later, but they were closer with coil so they released it early. So they had planned to release the content in the proper steps, but they had issues, and instead of withholding all endgame content they gave us Coil early, so you would have something to be working on until 2.1, maybe if they had know so many people would cry about it now, they would have just held it and left us with nothing but primals until the first patch.

[Raikki]

content people are choosing not to do, then complaining there isn't enough to keep them busy

if you choose not to participate in part of it, that is on you not them.

there is plenty of content you are refusing to participate in

No, when people aren't participating in content, it means the developers goofed, not the players. All games work on a reward structure. When that reward structure fails, the game fails, and sadly the reward structure in this game has been failing so far. Gear is one of the most common reward systems used in RPGs, but of course gear isn't the only reward. A sense of accomplishment can be considered a reward, too. That's where things get tricky and where you're having trouble seeing things from another perspective. Different people feel accomplishment from different things, and no matter how many times you argue with them about it, it's not going to change the fact that when they do many of the exact same things you really enjoy doing in the game, they do not get the same sense of accomplishment you do.

It is insulting to tell someone that they're wrong for what does or does not instill them with a sense of accomplishment. It is also insulting to tell someone to quit the game if they don't enjoy the same things you do. People are merely voicing their frustrations and their suggestions because they see potential in the game that they feel is being squandered.