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    Player Jynx's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    Say hypothetically.
    Let's say hypothetically, that if they didn't have lockouts the game would have a different kind of loot system perhaps? that's the thing about hypothetical situations they are rarely the case, if they removed lockouts they would obviously balance the game in other ways to make progression not instantanious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jynx View Post
    Let's say hypothetically, that if they didn't have lockouts the game would have a different kind of loot system perhaps? that's the thing about hypothetical situations they are rarely the case, if they removed lockouts they would obviously balance the game in other ways to make progression not instantanious.
    Yes they could lower drop rates for sure, but that is nothing to power gamers who will burn through all content with no lockouts.
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    Player Jynx's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    Yes they could lower drop rates for sure, but that is nothing to power gamers who will burn through all content with no lockouts.
    How does this effect the casual or less hardcore "Core" gamer?

    All I know is that no matter my play level (Ranges from hardcore to extremly casual depending on my situation) that I am locked out of content on a rather frequent basis. Let the 1%'s "Beat" the game while the rest of us get to enjoy the game at our own pace and not be told we aren't doing thing properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jynx View Post
    How does this effect the casual or less hardcore "Core" gamer?
    A) No Lock, Low drop: Hurts the casual player.
    B) No Lock, 100% drop: Hurts the company. (People will spam farm then unsub.)
    C) Lock, Low drop: Hurts everyone.
    D) Lock, 100% drop: Hurts the hardcore.

    B and C are definitely out, obviously. A Hurts a majority of players, where D hurts a minority.

    You can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djeserit View Post
    A) No Lock, Low drop: Hurts the casual player.
    B) No Lock, 100% drop: Hurts the company. (People will spam farm then unsub.)
    C) Lock, Low drop: Hurts everyone.
    D) Lock, 100% drop: Hurts the hardcore.

    B and C are definitely out, obviously. A Hurts a majority of players, where D hurts a minority.

    You can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time.
    D hurts casuals, too.

    I am casual, when I play I want to play the content I want because my time is so limited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djeserit View Post
    A) No Lock, Low drop: Hurts the casual player.
    B) No Lock, 100% drop: Hurts the company. (People will spam farm then unsub.)
    C) Lock, Low drop: Hurts everyone.
    D) Lock, 100% drop: Hurts the hardcore.

    B and C are definitely out, obviously. A Hurts a majority of players, where D hurts a minority.

    You can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time.
    Can I have option D? I would love to have 100% drop and then get locked out of coils.....errr unless your talking about Crystal Tower then no!

    Takes forever to gear in CoB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkista View Post
    Can I have option D? I would love to have 100% drop and then get locked out of coils.....errr unless your talking about Crystal Tower then no!

    Takes forever to gear in CoB.
    Lol, that's already the system in place!
    I'm pretty sure he meant "100% drop" as in there's a sure chance to get loot at all, not to get loot specifically for you. This is opposed to systems with "low drop" where you can kill the boss and you might not even get anything at all. Thus, CoB is already under D.

    Sidenote: I haven't seen MNK drops in forever! I feel your pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allyrion View Post
    Lol, that's already the system in place!
    I'm pretty sure he meant "100% drop" as in there's a sure chance to get loot at all, not to get loot specifically for you. This is opposed to systems with "low drop" where you can kill the boss and you might not even get anything at all. Thus, CoB is already under D.

    Sidenote: I haven't seen MNK drops in forever! I feel your pain.
    That's ok I did T1 didn't get anything, Then my wife does T1 with a PUG and Striking pants/ring dropped /sadface wanted those pants.
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    Player Jynx's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djeserit View Post
    D) Lock, 100% drop: Hurts the hardcore.
    So because I can do something like run coil more than once a week I'm hardcore? What if I can play for one week and I can't for 4 then I'm even further behind than "Casuals" who can play once a week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djeserit View Post
    A) No Lock, Low drop: Hurts the casual player.
    B) No Lock, 100% drop: Hurts the company. (People will spam farm then unsub.)
    C) Lock, Low drop: Hurts everyone.
    D) Lock, 100% drop: Hurts the hardcore.

    B and C are definitely out, obviously. A Hurts a majority of players, where D hurts a minority.

    You can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time.
    E) Easy mode w/ Lock, 100% drop + Hard mode w/ No lock, Low drop.

    However only able to enter one version of the instance a week. Casuals can enter the easy mode lock/guarantee drop version, but hardcores can spam the hard mode as much as they like.

    Granted this will never happen, and would require alot of work and balancing issues...
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