Can we please get a ranged limit break?

[BrandoH]

Blahbityblah, stupidstupidstupidwords.

The other couple dozen threads about this weren't enough for you? BRD = Support. End of freaking story. When they give us Ranger/Musketeer, maybe then we'll see a ranged LB. Not before.

[Phai]

The other couple dozen threads about this weren't enough for you? BRD = Support. End of freaking story. When they give us Ranger/Musketeer, maybe then we'll see a ranged LB. Not before.

Nope nope nope, Yoshi said no support class for 2.0 release. end of storry...
How come ppl see a song that has a 20% dd reduction and think SUPPORT whitout even thinking? They aim for Casuals atm, and most of game is based on 4 man content, and for 4 man content there is no room for support class.

[Sylari]

BRD = Support. End of freaking story.

If there was such a thing as "support" in FF14 you might have a point.

[Phai]

If there was such a thing as "support" in FF14 you might have a point.

Having a point is not needed on forums, just a pumped up e-peen

[Cabalabob]

I'm a classic example of someone who thinks with their ass instead of their brain.

Oh look, I can demean you by changing your quote too.

Now let's start by saying this thread is only indirectly related to BRD so your point is already practically moot.

But let's go into what's wrong with it anyway! First off, before BRD, people played 30 levels as an ancient long forgotten class called archer. This class is as much support as pugilist is a healer. Yet it too gets the healer limit break.

Unfortunately it is listed as a damage dealer thanks to the magical colourful stickers SE gave us to tell us what our role is. So when signing up for the duty finder hoping to get a class who deals damage, and by extension, has a limit break that deals damage, there is a chance we can get all our damage dealer party slots filled with people that use a healer limit break. Which brings us to the indirect relation to BRD. Both archer and bard are registered as damage dealers, NOT SUPPORT.

Seeing as they are listed as damage dealers you want their limit break to deal damage, even if it's indirect through a buff like others have suggested. What you don't want is a damage dealer who uses a healer limit break. It's basically like making cleric stance auto activate under party conditions for a CNJ/WHM.

Even if there was a "support" sticker for bard, I would expect it to have a supporting limit break, not just a healer one. And that still doesn't cover the fact that archer has a healer limit break which fits it as much as summoner's egi fit classic FF fans expectations of summons.

[Nahara]

I've never been in a situation where the archer having healer limit break has been a life saver.

Just because you haven't, doesn't mean nobody has had a would-be wipe averted by the Bard pulling off Pulse of Life.

I've been in more than a few runs where the fight was saved by the Bard saving everyone's ass with the healer LB.

[Sax]

Said it before and I'll say it again, the biggest mistake was calling the job Bard. So many people cant adjust their way of thinking and recognize that in FF14 bard fills a slightly different role than in other MMOs. Just give them the caster LB. It's pretty crap anyway and any place you would use it (nails for instance) it's not actually needed. That way melee DPS feelings aren't hurt and ARC/BRD's get a slightly more appropriate LB (especially for 4man content.)

[Allyrion]

Said it before and I'll say it again, the biggest mistake was calling the job Bard. So many people cant adjust their way of thinking and recognize that in FF14 bard fills a slightly different role than in other MMOs. Just give them the caster LB. It's pretty crap anyway and any place you would use it (nails for instance) it's not actually needed. That way melee DPS feelings aren't hurt and ARC/BRD's get a slightly more appropriate LB (especially for 4man content.)

You're right. I will personally never accept Bard as a pure dps.
The defining trait of the class is that it sings, or more generally, that it inspires its comrades. Anything less and there's no point in calling it a bard.
Then it's just an Archer/Ranger.

However, I do think the current implementation is a decent hybrid. The damage isn't horrible while also being a nice backup in times of need.
The LB obviously needs work, and I imagine that they didn't bother with a ranged LB since there are no other ranged JOBS but the bard.
I hope SE figures out a decent compromise, but I don't see a bard summoning Meteor. Problem is, a support LB will either end up being mandatory or useless.

The AoE that hits in a line might be interesting. Pure damage isn't ideal but I can't see a comfortable way around that. Maybe SE can.

[Montgraves]

I think this thread (and others like it) highlights how 14's LB system is fundamentally flawed. Every other FF has had character-specific Limit Breaks BECAUSE they could be thematically cohesive, not to mention unique. Ex: Final Heaven looks amazing when a MNK uses it, kinda silly when a DRG does (Dragon PAUNCH!)

Personally, give us back 11's two-hours (though I suppose they're called one-hours now) and I'll be a happy camper. Because honestly, I nearly shat myself out of sheer panic when I saw Hamon Holyfist start casting Hundred Fists.

[Cabalabob]

Just because you haven't, doesn't mean nobody has had a would-be wipe averted by the Bard pulling off Pulse of Life.

I've been in more than a few runs where the fight was saved by the Bard saving everyone's ass with the healer LB.

This is where could does not imply should. A DD having the healer limit break could save the fight, does that mean a damage dealer should have it?

Look at it this way, a dragoon could go lancer to equip cure which could save the fight. Does that mean dragoons should do this? No, cause you don't want a dragoon to cure, you want it to deal damage. Losing dragoon gimps it's damage so it can cast cure. You don't want to gimp damage dealer damage for the obscure off chance that it may, one day, when all the planets align and the moon is full, save the party.