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    Asierid's Avatar
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    Saerin Zei
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    A reaction based tank is and will always be worse than a passive tank. WAR needs at least some form of passive mitigation otherwise it will always be worse than PLD. Basing tank ability on the ability to heal damage taken is fine, but not when you start hitting content like Titan and Coil (assume you're not over geared) where stuff starts chunking your HP like no tomorrow. It's a needed change.

    Inner Beast doesn't do squat if you're dead.
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Ragnarok
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Asierid View Post
    A reaction based tank is and will always be worse than a passive tank. WAR needs at least some form of passive mitigation otherwise it will always be worse than PLD. Basing tank ability on the ability to heal damage taken is fine, but not when you start hitting content like Titan and Coil (assume you're not over geared) where stuff starts chunking your HP like no tomorrow. It's a needed change.

    Inner Beast doesn't do squat if you're dead.
    WAR have enough HP to take the first Mountain Buster without any mitigation. Afterwards, the healers needs to cure you enough so that you can eat the next one. Rinse, repeat.
    To be effective on harder content, I think the WAR needs more HP. To keep the "Massive HP Pool, reaction self heal" approach.
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    Zoomie Vi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    WAR have enough HP to take the first Mountain Buster without any mitigation. Afterwards, the healers needs to cure you enough so that you can eat the next one. Rinse, repeat.
    To be effective on harder content, I think the WAR needs more HP. To keep the "Massive HP Pool, reaction self heal" approach.
    The problem with simply giving warriors more HP and leaving their "self heals" they way they are is does not scale with gear nearly as quickly as the content will. IB would need to be some kind of % total HP heal rather than % dmg done as content and HP scale so much faster than warrior dmg does.
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    Kitru Kitera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoomie View Post
    IB would need to be some kind of % total HP heal rather than % dmg done as content and HP scale so much faster than warrior dmg does.
    Actually, damage and max hp scale at roughly the same rate because they're both gear dependent. Changing the self heal on Inner Beast would do jack and squat for actually balanced: 20% of max hp in 8 man content is *hugely* different from 20% of max hp in 4 man content (re: in the first, it's enough to let you solo a number of boss fights; in the second, it's barely enough to help you survive the follow up).

    For self healing to be a useful and balanced form of mitigation, it needs to scale with *incoming damage*, not outgoing damage or max hp. Tank mitigation *has* to scale with incoming damage. If it doesn't, it's either hugely overpowered in 4 man content or hugely underpowered in 8 man content.
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