BARD 2.1 change [requesting letter from the producer explanation]

[Aeser]

Not to be rude or anything, but adjustments that either lower a class dps and/or utility is what the word "nerf" cover?

And i dont see that u rage on the +10% damage adjustment to drg beeing talked about as a "boost".... oh crap, just saw, ur drg, my bad...

I've always considered a 'nerf' to be a severe reduction in some aspect of the class. not a minor tweak.

oh and not to be rude or anything, but i couldn't give two shits about the buff as i play my whm far more than my drg, and i'm currently lvling sch and archer. I dont see a need to have any sort of buff and i believe it's a bit wasted. all i ever wanted was an adjustment to the animation lock for my jump attacks namely my evasion jump to make it actually useful when you need it.

and why would i "rage" about something that's merely said in general about my class without knowing exactly was changed? That would be a waste of time as i have no idea what's actually being changed and how.

so trying to point out my class is really asinine, ignorant and sorry attempt to shift your frustration from an unknown adjustment to me.
BARDs will always be highly sought after for their support abilities, so a minor tweak wont change much

[Phai]

I've always considered a 'nerf' to be a severe reduction in some aspect of the class. not a minor tweak.

oh and not to be rude or anything, but i couldn't give two shits about the buff as i play my whm far more than my drg, and i'm currently lvling sch and archer.

so trying to point out my class is really asinine, ignorant and sorry attempt to shift your frustration from an unknown adjustment to me.

Well u kinda went all out couse ppl refering to the adjustment as a nerf.
There is no Magic toward the fact that players will talk about the up's and Downs when there is said that a class will get adjusted in a negativ direction for that class. Some defend it, some argue against it. U tought it would be oki to target those who argue against it or did i miss something?

And u dont give a two shit about the buff, but u give enough shit to point out that brd is getting an adjustment, not a nerf, and People should stop talking about it? where u going whit this btw?

[Aeser]

Well u kinda went all out couse ppl refering to the adjustment as a nerf.
There is no Magic toward the fact that players will talk about the up's and Downs when there is said that a class will get adjusted in a negativ direction for that class. Some defend it, some argue against it. U tought it would be oki to target those who argue against it or did i miss something?

And u dont give a two shit about the buff, but u give enough shit to point out that brd is getting an adjustment, not a nerf, and People should stop talking about it? where u going whit this btw?

If you took offense to my original comment, then i apologize as that's not the purpose. I'm not trying to be troll.

it's more of: your over reacting to something you have no idea on the specifics of. If the adjustment is severe and truly a 'nerf' after you know all the details then by all means, voice your concern. But complaining about something that no one has any idea of, is simply a waste of time. your getting angry over nothing. It also sends a bad message to the developers. instead of articulating evidence, it's more of QQ over incomplete information.

I think SE made a mistake by posting something as vague as 'making adjustments.' I hope SE gives a bit more depth or detailed explanation when posting things that would impact a class. I'd also like to know what SE sees the Bard/Archer class as. Is it a pure DPS, DPS/Hybrid, or the Support version in this game. as stated before, i see Bard as a hybrid, since the songs are far too good to be otherwise.
In my opinion, it would also be better for the class if it wasn't dominating in lower tier content (as evident in near mandatory bard stacking or at least one in every group) and under performing in higher tier content. More linear progression seems better. Usefulness across all content, but not near-requirements.

If you truly believe the adjustments are unneeded, then lay down evidence. show parsers, videos, pics, something..anything to show the contrary. show SE that the community can articulate evidence and show the contrary to the model see.

I was voicing my opinion and not targeting anyone. I gave my reason for asking why people are calling it a nerf when the evidence calls it a minor adjustment, and i asked if there was evidence that i missed so that i may adjust my thinking based on more evidence. your the one being a smart ass about my comment by pointing out my class, as if that somehow dictated if i'm angry or wanting bard to be 'nerfed.'

I'm not concerned in the slightest about a buff/nerf to any of my classes until the details present themselves. If my drg gets this 10% dmg buff, then ok. if it gets a nerf, then ok. It's not going to affect me in the slightest as i enjoy playing drg as well as the other jobs/classes i'm playing. Even if my (for example) whm gets a massive 'nerf.' Then i'll continue playing it regardless. i enjoy it.

[Phai]

it's more of: your over reacting to something you have no idea on the specifics of. If the adjustment is severe after you know all the details then by all means, voice your concern. But complaining about something that no one has any idea of, is simply a waste of time. your getting angry over nothing.

Well i see ur point.
But not all in this thread is angry, and i was under the impression that talking about upcoming changes, good or bad, was what forums could be used for.
Anyway, some want to talk about it, share stuff and opinions, some dont want to, lets just agree its more than enough room to let everyone have a spot on the playground?


Edit; my respond was based on ur post before u added / edit'd it.
Reason i mention ur class, as u posted was that u, imo, went all out toward ppl talking about the "nerf", i might have missread ur post, but that was the reason for the class comment. Could say the same to Warriors in theire post's, no reason to be happy until patch go live, tho i think they having a good time talking and discussing the upcomming changes.
My point is that on forums it should be aloved to talk about an adjustment toward a class, good or bad, and People should not keep shut until the change goes live. its somewhat final resort to make a point, couse belive it or not, SE reads forums.

[Viridiana]

If the adjustment is severe and truly a 'nerf' after you know all the details then by all means, voice your concern. But complaining about something that no one has any idea of, is simply a waste of time. your getting angry over nothing. It also sends a bad message to the developers. instead of articulating evidence, it's more of QQ over incomplete information.

I think SE made a mistake by posting something as vague as 'making adjustments.' I hope SE gives a bit more depth or detailed explanation when posting things that would impact a class.

I mostly agree with what you're saying. I agree that getting *emotional* over incomplete information is a waste of energy. However, when we're given incomplete information that could indicate an undesirable change, that's pretty much the only time we can try to bring to the dev's attention that the change may be unnecessary. This ties into your second point: the devs don't like to give out concrete information unless it's pretty much finalized. Thus, the vague-time is the best time for us to try to voice our concerns without having to wait for the next patch cycle. Unfortunately, it also means a lot of what gets said goes overboard.