BARD 2.1 change [requesting letter from the producer explanation]

[Viridiana]

Isn't Mantra a cross skill?

It is, but only MNK gets the +10% version.

[Allyrion]

It is, but only MNK gets the +10% version.

lol this has been bothering me.
It's 20% for monks and 5% for everyone else. 10% was the beta (cross class) version or something.

[Viridiana]

lol this has been bothering me.
It's 20% for monks and 5% for everyone else. 10% was the beta (cross class) version or something.

Huh. . .shows how much attention I pay to MNK. Should really level that up. . .

[Allyrion]

Huh. . .shows how much attention I pay to MNK. Should really level that up. . .

Not your fault. Everyone has been saying it for the past page!

EDIT:
My macro screams the tool tip every time I use it. So I enjoy spreading the knowledge.

[Zellata]

You people saying that Bards aren't OP, just aren't playing Bard correctly I guess. I'm consistently top DPS in my Coil group, and I can far too easily pull aggro off Tanks, especially in Turn 4.

Guess again...I'll give you a little hint - folks saying that BRD isn't OP simply have a competent BLM or SMN in their coil group.

[Aeser]

Why is everyone calling Nerfs? Everyone is calling it a nerf when it's obvious a simple adjustment.

Players were using Bards in a way that far exceeded the expectations of SE and as such, they need to be toned down a little. As the patch notes said:

"Q6: Please tell us about the adjustment details on other jobs other than the dragoons.....We have made adjustments to certain cross class actions that the bards can set."

"Although we've noticed that certain jobs are favored in certain instances over others, we will continue making adjustments moving forward based on the idea that all jobs can contribute to encounters. In regards to bard, though their recast times are long, they are able to deal large amount of damage in a short period of time, and we feel that this is a bit too strong of an advantage for battles where enemies change phases."

Is there something I missed? Please give a link so that I may adjust where needed. It's bordering sad at this point where people are crying about the hypothetical "nerfs' coming to their beloved class.

In response the the Support Role/DPS role debacle. I see them as more of a support/dps role more than a pure dps role. No other class has a set of abilities that support the party in any way that comes close to the songs. I'm not talking about cross class abilities that some jobs have access to. I'm talking about some of your core abilities. A good example of your more support role is your LB. if you were a 'DPS/DD' class, then you'd have a damage dealing LB. Simple as that.

[Phai]

Why is everyone calling Nerfs? Everyone is calling it a nerf when it's obvious a simple adjustment.

Not to be rude or anything, but adjustments that either lower a class dps and/or utility is what the word "nerf" cover?

And i dont see that u rage on the +10% damage adjustment to drg beeing talked about as a "boost".... oh crap, just saw, ur drg, my bad...

[Sylari]

Why is everyone calling Nerfs? Everyone is calling it a nerf when it's obvious a simple adjustment.

An 'adjustment' that weakens a class' power is a nerf. That's kind of the definition of one.

In response the the Support Role/DPS role debacle. I see them as more of a support role.

I'd agree with you if there was a support role in FFXIV. There isn't though.

[Allyrion]

Not to be rude or anything, but adjustments that either lower a class dps and/or utility is what the word "nerf" cover?

And i dont see that u rage on the +10% damage adjustment to drg beeing talked about as a "boost".... oh crap, just saw, ur drg, my bad...

People who cried for bard nerfs right after launch were dumb cause it was way too early to start calling classes OP. They were wrong.

People crying about bard nerfs before knowing what adjustments are being made are just as bad. Maybe it's just me, but I think people should shut their mouth until they have all the information since you can't make any reasonable arguments based on speculation.

Yoshi's statements are very vague and it's grasping at straws to figure out what they're going to actually do to adjust bards. But lo and behold, everyone is up in arms to defend against the unspecified nerfs yet they can't really defend anything without knowing what they're going to do.

This just becomes an echo chamber between two groups. The people who are jealous of bards and the bards who feel threatened. Yet neither have anything really meaningful to say when in regards to the nerfs since they just don't know.

Do people really have to hinge on a few vague words about class balance with such emotion and reaction? You'll have every right to be upset when they release information about major nerfs. But in the scenario where the adjustments aren't bad or even an overall nerf at all, you made yourself upset for nothing and you helped propagated unnecessary fear and frustration.

[Phai]

People who cried for bard nerfs right after launch were dumb cause it was way too early to start calling classes OP. They were wrong.

People crying about bard nerfs before knowing what adjustments are being made are just as bad. Maybe it's just me, but I think people should shut their mouth until they have all the information since you can't make any reasonable arguments based on speculation.

U have a good point, and i do agree.
But to some limit i find a reason to try defend Brd, if its the adjustment comming toward the class or if its what community think, and makes of the class, well, i cant say, maybe little of both.
Time will show what happends to Brd, but for love of god, i hope they realy sort out the issue struggling classes have.