Coil mode for main story

[Nici]

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Honestly...i really don't mind if they toned it down, why? cause we'll be too busy tackling the new coil content to worry about old 1-5, and not to mention we'll also be busy with the new crystal tower content, yes some of us will still be running 1-5 but mostly to help our friends/FC members who are not as..."motivated" as most of us that like things challenging and exciting, coming from WoW hardcore raiding i'm used to this...it's a cycle i have seen countless times, new content is introduced old content is dumbed down for those that found it hard for whatever reason.

People also have to realize we are all different...we are not clones of each other, we are not robots of the same make and model, "learn to play better" saying that is just not gonna work, sure there are those that want stuff handed to them, they want the loots without putting in the playtime/work, but there are those that are not as skilled as some of us, some have better hand eye coordination, some better reflex/twitch movement control, others do not, some people have their limits, some because of age or maybe others cause of a handicap, should we deny these players the content we think is challenging and exciting because of that?...that's for you guys reading this long opinion of mine to decide, as for me...let them have their story viewing...as long as we also get the challenging and exciting version too. =P

And me personally i like challenge and exciting, i also played FFXI for a number of years so i know what you mean....that games Sky zone gives me shivers to this day, mobs that see through invis...was horrifying and exciting at the same time trying to sneak through that place.

[Rose_Vilehart]

i got nothing

just saying they shouldn't really be playing an mmo game if the cant put in the effort to stay long periods of time or expect it to be easy, anyone who has played at least 1 mmo game knows this.......plus we are not denying anyone the thing is you just said it yourself, we find this content challenging and exciting and they CAN play it but its down to their patience/skill whether they can complete it, its not being blocked off to anyone its just not completable unless they have a certain amount of skill, so they CAN still get there without dumbing it down, but from there its up to them whether they quit or learn more to experience the game more.

[TrystWildkey]

Sounds like you enjoy the game... So what's wrong with waiting for them to put the ezmode buff in as they stated they'll do? Why is it terrible to wait a few months to see a storyline that isn't even complete (t5)? And if anything, they're catering to both sets of players, just letting the hardcores get it out of their system first.

Plus, making a ezmode right away with no gear/drops/etc would be a waste of money by SE. The amount of people who would do the ezmode would likely not equate to the time and effort spent in setting up instance servers for the ezmode. Especially since most of those people would do coil ONCE on ezmode, then never play it again (especially since cutscenes are always in the inn). Just my opinion.

Thank you for reading! I do enjoy the game, I was really glad to hear that old content will eventually have a lower difficulty when enough new content is out. It's a little disappointing to wait, but I will wait. The point of this thread was proposing an alternative to nerfing the content for everyone.

I don't have a problem with what they plan to do, I thought it was a great idea, however, to have an alternative. Instead of nerfing the content for everyone, just give an alternate mode with no rewards. It makes both player types happy, and can be a bridge to those in the middle.

Since I knew they were planning to lower the difficulty of the new content, in my mind it made sense that they release that lowered difficulty version as an alternative, and keep the hard one available too. Now that I know they're just adding a buff, that changes things.

I'm not thrilled with the dev response, but I am satisfied enough. It's not game breaking for me since I know that I will eventually be able to see the story and since 2.1 seems like it will have plenty of content that I will enjoy. This was just an idea that I thought was fantastic and that I felt fit well with my play style and my desires.

I've kept posting in this thread, not to demand that this happen, but to try to bring understanding to the people who are so vehemently against this idea, or who think I'm asking for everything to be made easier, or that I want everything handed to me. Thank you for being one of those that actually read what I wrote

As I said earlier, being able to have discussions like this, without resorting to insults, is another reason why I'm still playing. Yeah, there are trolls and people you don't want to deal with, but eventually, you'll find the community you enjoy being with

[KenzieLynch]

i just explained what i think this is, its bridge content. snip

Dodging the question? hardly surprising.

If it was 'bridge content' then you still be required to do Coil to carry on with the main story. Yes, MAIN story content it is, and don't pretend I didn't give you a chance to argue the contrary. The reason you point blank refuse to answer my question directly is because you know very well i'm about to set you straight.

The solution the OP is suggesting is, unfortunately the only solution available now. In reality this story content should never have been locked up in end game to begin with. You admitted yourself that end game content is a defined part of the game, separate from main story content, and now players who signed up for story and questing are now finding the (arguably) most interesting part of the story (that was set up in the opening movie of the game) is locked behind hardcore content. (cont)

[KenzieLynch]

...(cont)

Yes, end game is hardcore content. I literally cannot fathom where you got the idea that story and cutscenes are rewards for endgame and now I struggle to believe you actually know what end game is. Rewards for this type of end game is gear, gear that enables you to do more endgame content. And so on and so forth.

Your premise that if players want to see this content they should be willing to take up a challenge is absolutely elementary. A challenge yes, but in the correct context. End game is NOT a natural progression from main quest content. For hardcore players main story content is the thing they suffer through to get to where they really want to be. There is a world of difference and your inability to understand this pretty much nullifies anything you have to say on the matter.

[Rose_Vilehart]

convo done

i've got into quite a few arguments and have studied the ways the human brain works so i know what you are trying to do here, you and i both know i never dodged the question and i will leave it at that, i commend you on being slightly smarter than most and knowing that old trick but i aint falling for it, goodbye.

[KenzieLynch]

i've got into quite a few arguments and have studied the ways the human brain works so i know what you are trying to do here, you and i both know i never dodged the question and i will leave it at that, i commend you on being slightly smarter than most and knowing that old trick but i aint falling for it, goodbye.

Not the best 'get out' strategy I have seen, I must say.

Anyone can read through and see you repeatedly dodged the question, and tried to label 'main story' content something else which effectively means the same thing and leads to the same end. If i was using 'tricks' I wouldn't have put forth my argument so candidly. The difference is I only comment when I know what I am talking about so I don't get caught out.

I know that you aren't the only one in the thread who is against OPs request, but you all seem to be saying pretty much the same thing and I had to use someone to highlight that you all have no rational reason as to why this shouldn't be allowed. Anyways i'll lay off now, it was nothing personal.

[Marishi-Ten]

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You're talking about quarterly "Sprints". They are more than likely maxed out on their man hours and have either removed any kind of story mode from the sprint, or have it set to such a low priority that it won't ever see the light of day.

[KogaDrake]

Story mode with no drops = no replay value = soon cant get a group together = failed and wasted dev time

Story mode with lower ilv drops = some replay value for casuals = some success; gear looks same = rage from those who do normal mode = more time to develop other gear = slower new content = bad

"echo" buff once "old" content with normal drops = high replay = high success and no additional time spend developing multiple versions of same dung/raid; yes this means casuals need to wait ~3months longer to do content but they progress slower so will not be a real issue; more hardcore gamers have moved onto bigger and better dungeons and gear so should be little backlash from the elietist from casuals getting the same gear for easier since its old and outdated anyways.

Tell me whats wrong here with the path they are taking? or how they can do it better without massive amounts of additional programming and testing to keep new content coming at scheduled quickly as possible?

[Nici]

Snip some stuff--------"echo" buff once "old" content with normal drops = high replay = high success and no additional time spend developing multiple versions of same dung/raid, more hardcore gamers have moved onto bigger and better dungeons and gear so should be little backlash from the elietist from casuals getting the same gear for easier since its old and outdated anyways.

This...this is what i was trying to say earlier, this is the best solution, add a buff to the player that makes it easy to still do the content at its original difficulty stage, less time trying to implement 2 versions of the same content and more time on developing new content to come out faster.