Why does no one complain about Summoners?

[EasymodeX]

Summoners are pretty overpowered, but unlike Bards you can't play them in your sleep. They're also not *as* mandatory to have in a group re: bardsong/silence.

[Kevee]

Summoners are pretty overpowered, but unlike Bards you can't play them in your sleep. They're also not *as* mandatory to have in a group re: bardsong/silence.

I hope parsing is never fixed.

I also wish we could PM on these forums.

GAH!

[Vortok]

Just like how melee and Warriors are more desired over the less complex classes?

And both of those are getting tweaks in the patch to address those concerns. They more or less said that melee is getting buffed because it's harder to maintain dps uptime than ranged due having to run out of stuff. I'd take that as a good sign for SMN given all the extra stuff a SMN has to keep track of in order to play the class well.

[Seobit]

during movement, a BLACK MAGE will outdamage a summoner, just because of how pathetic ruin 2 is, and because bio gets clipped, over 18 seconds, both jobs can cast 7 instant spells, a SMN can do 720 (1170 if they blow all 3 energy drains, 1620 if they decide to be incredibly stupid and blow 6 stacks of aetherflow on ED) total potency (1 bio, 6 ruin2's), a BLM can do between 1060 and 1780 depending on how many enhanced scathe procs they get (1 swiftcasted thunder 3, 6 scathes). (hell, it may be unrealistic, but a BLM can potentially hit 2480 potency if they swiftcast thunder 3 and get thunderhead procs every tick)

You don't have the pet included. And it sounds like you're saying a BLM spamming scathe does more damage than a SMN that's doing his optimal rotation uninterrupted. Not going to comment on that.

[Borfin]

I'm regularly on-par with other similarly geared BLMs and DRGs on my parsers.

...when they limit break...

Summoners are pretty overpowered, but unlike Bards you can't play them in your sleep. They're also not *as* mandatory to have in a group re: bardsong/silence.

"This class is harder to play" is, was and always will be a completely illegitimate reason to have one class be overtly powerful compared to its competition, especially in the case of SMN vs BRD where SMN isn't exactly tough to play to its full potential anyway. (Pet micromanagement is annoying but not difficult. There's a difference.)

That said, BRDs bring a lot to the table in the form of group utility/group DPS buffs (hello, Requiem!) that SMN does not. In the case of Requiem (and arguably Ballad), it's indirectly BRD DPS anyway since it wouldn't happen if a BRD wasn't present.

[PSxpert2011]

Honest question here. I know bards get a lot of hate for being better than melee but IMO from what I've seen in coil (and I've downed Twintania), Summoners CONSISTENTLY out damage every other class by a pretty big margin in every fight.

gotta agree, SMN is about 2x harder to play than a BLM

It doesn't matter if it benefits the group if it's detrimental to the game.

Squenix, forgive them for they know NOT what they say!! >.<

I enjoy SMN just the way it is!!! Don't mess with FFs best job... my job!

[Roy_M]

I still don t know why people fight so much to be the top DPS I m glad that parse doesn t track DoTs so well so the whinning could get even worse.

Yes smn out dmg other dps class single target and AoE after the BLM if they are 4 targets when they are over 4 no so much.
The balance should be about to qualify a class like.

When people write about blm I just laugh they see the big numbers they can t compare that to the DoTs that are very hardly to read by the system or manually, I give you that AoE spike dmg np but overtime smns don t get far behind blms, and they are not even adding thunder to each of the extra adds after Bane.

Single Target: Mage:SMN, Melee:MNK since between the others are more complex to role so it should be "rewarding"
Aoe: Mage: BLM, Melee: Drg
And for me it s ok like it is now, since they have their good and not so good things the idea of the game is to bind the jobs and work together not like "I DO MORE DPS THAN YOU SO..." I don t know why the FFXIV looks so full of whinning 2nd grade kids than adults.

As someone said posts like the OP only makes unwanted nerfs for the lack of skills of that kind of people to play their current role or understand other´s

But yeah Arcanist/SMN are low dps let s leave it like that, before a stupid nerf comes if the Dev Team keeps taking notes from these guys..

[Exstal]

Here's the reason no one complains about Summoners:

Because they are a boring class to play, require more attention than a Black Mage, there are less of them thus there is no reason to complain about a class that isn't popular.

Better question; Why don't people complain about the fact that 65% of the player base are Dragoons?

[Madoka]

Better question; Why don't people complain about the fact that 65% of the player base are Dragoons?

Oh, they do. Every time someone complains about a bad DRG.

[NeoAmon]

Oh, they do. Every time someone complains about a bad DRG.

I have never seen a post on the forums I agree with more than this. There is also the 9th DRG in every Coil group....so fat with Allagan drops, our imaginary DRG is already full ilvl90 Allagan and some duplicates.