Coil mode for main story

[AvonRekaes]

I'm sorry for the doublepost, but I want to take a shot at explaining another aspect of the casual mentality to hardcores.

This perception of "you just want instant gratification" is confusing and insulting to some casuals, because they don't know what you mean. To you hardcores, attaining a level up is pretty meaningless, just one in fifty messages that amount to "I'm not playing the game I want to yet" until you reach 50 and can start the gear grind. To casuals, attaining a level is a main source of gratification. This is why they are confused by the endgame and your insinuations that they want something they shouldn't, because previous to the endgame, they received gratification fairly regularly. Sometimes multiple times per day.

To be told that now we have to wait several days or weeks between distinct gratifying events (getting new gear) is crazy to the people that aren't in this for the endgame.

[Nici]

The story is on youtube, nothing is stopping you watching it.

I think they main arguement why that does not work for some people is that...IT IS NOT THEIR CHARACTER in the cut scenes of the story line in those YT videos, for RPers/Casuals it's that they want to experience and see the story through their characters eyes and be standing in those cut scenes...simple as that.

I have read through most of this thread and some people from both camps have made very good and valid arguments and points, casuals want to see the story...that is all fine and good but please try and at least gear up a little, learn your class as best you can, that way when you get to actually see your character in those cut scenes you'r character will really look all epic and heroic.

As for me...and this is just speaking for myself, i consider myself casual/hardcore...i will gear up and learn my class as best i can before trying to progress and see the story line at my own pace, to make my point i just completed my relic quest last week, i'm taking my time...there is a lot to do in this game anyways, i'm patient and no need to rush, i think of it as my character growing and getting experience and gear ready to tackle and experience the harder stuff that comes her way. =P And yes it is great that they will make turn 1-5 easier, maybe i will wait till then or maybe i will try it as it is now in the next few weeks.

For now tho i think everyone that has replied to this thread has made good and valid points like i said...but now its just going back and forth with the same arguments, but it is nice to debate and talk about it as long as we keep it civil without resorting to personally attacking.

[Onyxys]

Advice to watch videos on youtube is one of the most stupid thing I have read hear. So, why not to give an advice "you need not to play the game at all- just watch youtube- it will save your money and time". Is it really so hard to understand, that we play (hardcore players and casual players) to gain SELF EXPERIENCE

[ashikenshin]

Advice to watch videos on youtube is one of the most stupid thing I have read hear. So, why not to give an advice "you need not to play the game at all- just watch youtube". Is it really so hard to understand, that we play (hardcore players and casual players) to gain SELF EXPERIENCE

yup the whole youtube thing is really really stupid. That they (iwannabehardcorewahwah) cannot see it seems to tell much about them.

[AvonRekaes]

The only thing it tells is that they are in this game for their own reasons, which are different from a casual player's. Both are valid ways to enjoy a game, and I think both sides have to recognize it. The problem is that hardcore gamers see nothing wrong with the state of affairs, while the casual gamers do, so the hardcore gamers feel "attacked" because we want to change something about the game they're enjoying.

For the casual gamer, the endgame can be huge problem. They end up feeling like they were sold a bill of goods. They've been spending weeks, maybe even months, playing one game, then have the rug pulled out from under them and are told "learn to play" before they can see the rest of the story. "Learn to play? What have I been doing for half-a-hundred levels?! What game was I playing then if I suck so much?!" The answer is a completely different game.

[Reiterpallasch]

Advice to watch videos on youtube is one of the most stupid thing I have read hear.

Almost as stupid as "nerf content so I don't have to learn or improve to see it", right?

[Freakiie]

I wonder if half the people complaining about coil being too hard actually realise you got to get a relic first. Aka, beat Titan HM. Or are they all approaching Titan with a "Well I'll buy a run/my FC will carry me" attitude? If it's that, no wonder they want easier Coil, they simply don't want to put in effort into anything.

As for the guy saying "hardcores" don't know what MMOs are about, I don't know, but doesn't sound to me like you know what they're about either. Because it's also not about getting everything handed to you on a silver platter. And yes, MMOs involve challenges, they involve gearing up, they involve stuff you don't just beat without breaking a sweat on your first try. If you can't handle that I don't think you should be playing a MMO.

Lets face it. If you beat Titan HM legitimately for your Relic you should already have a lot of your DL. So for Coil all you have to do is get the last few pieces, which shouldn't take that long and voila you're ready for Coil! Not to mention Coil doesn't require anywhere near as much dodging as Titan. You have the ADS Laser and that's about it. Everything else in there is about knowing how to deal with the mechanics, not about how good your connection is.

So then we come to the next part. "omg, all the experienced players don't want me!" Then take part in that other thing MMOs have. You know, a community. Find people that DO take firsttimers. Find other firsttimers. Find linkshells for Coil. Form parties with them. Talk with them. Coordinate with them. Don't throw hissyfits because people are being "too hardcore" because they want to use VoIP. Make sure you know how to deal with encounters in Coil, form strategies based on your own party and suddenly Coil isn't all that hard.

You really don't need to be "supahhardc0rez" or in full i90 or something to at least do up to T4. Admittedly, T5 is a completely different beast, but come on, what would life be without challenges? I bet if the people complaining about Coil being so hard or that they can't find parties would spend half the effort they spend complaining on getting proper gear and finding other people in the same boat they'd actually would've gotten quite far in Coil already.

[ashikenshin]

I'm not asking for anything to be nerfed. I will do the content when I'm ready. Already have 3 relics with their respective jobs in full dark light. Some people will never reach the point were they are comfortable doing it, nor will they find a group that beats twintania. Other games have a easy mode version which is what is being asked here. Not nerfing the only version there is.

Understand now? how asking someone to watch something they are playing for story (which is why you play every final fantasy game) on youtube is stupid?

[AvonRekaes]

As for the guy saying "hardcores" don't know what MMOs are about, I don't know, but doesn't sound to me like you know what they're about either. Because it's also not about getting everything handed to you on a silver platter. And yes, MMOs involve challenges, they involve gearing up, they involve stuff you don't just beat without breaking a sweat on your first try. If you can't handle that I don't think you should be playing a MMO.

I sincerely hope you don't mean me, because that's not what I was saying at all. I was pointing out the different reasons why people come to the game. I was validating both hardcore and causal mindsets by acknowledging both exist, and I was trying to explain to both sides the reasons why the other comes to the game.

[Freakiie]

I sincerely hope you don't mean me, because that's not what I was saying at all. I was pointing out the different reasons why people come to the game. I was validating both hardcore and causal mindsets by acknowledging both exist, and I was trying to explain to both sides the reasons why the other comes to the game.

Nah, I was referring to the guy with the bigass "QQ hardcorez suck" rant.