Paladin Cross/Class skill changes please

[Taj]

Really happy some old FF fans started posting in this thread agreeing with me. I feel some of our other players are ignorant as to what a Paladin in the Final Fantasy universe was. I mean saying Holy isn't attached to a Paladin is just plain ignorance. I agree with you especially Momo, Paladin just feels like the standard Knight class (not even Knight in FF universe) in any run-of-the-mill MMORPG. I want my versatility back. Or if you're going to make me play a dumb downed Knight/Paladin hybrid I want my breaker skills.

[Leiron]

Really happy some old FF fans started posting in this thread agreeing with me.

If you want a party where ll anyone does is nod their head in agreement, make your own forum.

[Taj]

If you want a party where ll anyone does is nod their head in agreement, make your own forum.

And how did you get that out of my quote? Like really. I'm happy fans of a gaming series I myself am a fan of also agree with my opinion. If you read my replies throughout the thread I thanked people who DIDN'T agree with me for their opinion. Lei you need to calm down.

[Leiron]

And how did you get that out of my quote?

Because that is what you said.

Like really. I'm happy fans of a gaming series I myself am a fan of also agree with my opinion. If you read my replies throughout the thread I thanked people who DIDN'T agree with me for their opinion. Lei you need to calm down.

I am always calm, just direct.

[Taj]

Because that is what you said.

Even in the quote you quoted I stated I am glad old FF players agree with me. I did not state that I wanted everyone to agree with me. 2/10

@Deusteele: A limited cover and aggro abilities does not make a FF paladin. If it were meant to be a knight, where are the breaker debuff skills? A gimpy cure, gimpy protect, gimpy raise offers little to party support.

[Leiron]

Even in the quote you quoted I stated I am glad old FF players agree with me. I did not state that I wanted everyone to agree with me. 2/10

Implicit not explicit, but he if that wasn't your intention we'll leave it at that.

@Deusteele: A limited cover and aggro abilities does not make a FF paladin. If it were meant to be a knight, where are the breaker debuff skills? A gimpy cure, gimpy protect, gimpy raise offers little to party support.

Except that in FF games a Paladin was never comparable to a full healer.
They always had gimpy capabilities compared to a true healer in the FF games.
Heck, Cecil in FF4 dd not have any breaker abilities.

[Deusteele]

@Deusteele: A limited cover and aggro abilities does not make a FF paladin. If it were meant to be a knight, where are the breaker debuff skills? A gimpy cure, gimpy protect, gimpy raise offers little to party support.

Underlined: Yes, yes it does. In fact that is all the Knight/Paladin job is in Final Fantasy. Cover and being in top slot in forward group, is what they are meant for. And as for the breaker skills. Those have been passed around to different jobs within the games metaverse that "Knights" don't have a particular claim to them. They are just as often granted to the Soldier and Fighter jobs then Knights.

And here's something to blow your mind; Paladins in FF:TA/A2 are portrayed as dual wield attackers in official artwork.

To get back on topic. PLD doesn't have better cross-class skills due to GLD being rebuilt for the ground up to become PLD. The developers had decided to force PLD to be tied to CNJ. This lead to GLD having a full suite of dps abilities to compensate for only being able to draw from the other tank based DoW.

[Taj]

And here's something to blow your mind; Paladins in FF:TA/A2 are portrayed as dual wield attackers in official artwork.

They also wear turbans, your point being? The Knight Job and Paladin job were two different job classes. Paladin are more an evolved version of the knight with mediocre healing abilities and support skills. You seem to have the idea I want a Paladin with all the healing power of a White Mage. I merely want a Paladin with more support skills to maximize my allies DPS potential and ensure stability of the party. Many Paladins would like a stronger heal and a functional raise. If we're going to talk about what the Paladin role in iterations of the series why don't we mention the Holy sword skills (Seiken) in Final Fantasy 9, Tactics, Tactics Advanced that would fall under not only dps but ranged dps?

[Viridiana]

Really happy some old FF fans started posting in this thread agreeing with me. I feel some of our other players are ignorant as to what a Paladin in the Final Fantasy universe was. I mean saying Holy isn't attached to a Paladin is just plain ignorance.

Just went to FF Wikia. Typed in Paladin, clicked on the links to all the Paladins/Knights in all the games. Only 2 of them across all the games can cast Holy. Beatrix in IX, if you count her as a PLD (and she's only temporarily playable, at that), and XI's PLD job. Then I did the same for White Mage. Ten White Mages across the games can cast Holy. Three of those are actually Summoners, too, which means that Holy is better represented as a SMN spell than it is as a PLD spell.

Ignorance, indeed.