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    Quote Originally Posted by Aenarion View Post
    The examples were there to point out the massive holes in your reasoning.

    Feel free to RP to your heart's content and interpret things however you like, but this isn't a RP thread, wrong place if you didn't want people poking holes in your setup. Also, not every "bad guy" need to be a Kefka-level megalomaniac, but I did find Gaius's reaction to be rather hypocritical - he's done far worse to others than what happened in Praetorium.


    Also another correction, Hildebrand is the ONLY memorable character so far
    Not role-playing, just perceiving it different.
    Dark Souls is notorious for this. You have 2 sides, one wants you to allow the bonfires to be kindled for the sake of the age of fire, while the other side wants darkness to reign. Both sides manipulate you to doing what they deem as "good". Though in actuality neither of them is good. Cause the light path needs you to sacrifice humans to light the fires which ends up making undead, and if you don't link the flames darkness reigns which is bad as you can see if you play the Abyss DLC.

    So when I see Gauis, who has laid out what he wants in front of me, I have less questions to ask.

    Versus

    Grand Companies and Minfilia's group. They have lied, killed and raped as well. they are no different that the Imperials.

    The only difference between them is that the Imperials have there shi* together and actually doing something about it. What happened to Minfilia's idea about making peace with the beastmen? It's gone, now she wants them dead as much as the GCs do.

    it's just the lesser of two evils.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki View Post
    What happened to Minfilia's idea about making peace with the beastmen? It's gone, now she wants them dead as much as the GCs do.
    She never said "go and kill all the beast tribes"
    The Garleans on the other site ...

    The Garlean solution to the primal problem is killing all the beast tribes. No beast tribes = no primals.
    You can see that Minfilla search another solution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardes View Post
    Hello, what's going on in this thread? Oh, Ala Mhigo or Garlean, you ask?

    Well, Ala Mhigo has WIDARGELT.

    So...hail Gaius!
    And Garlemald had Darnus, so what?
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    Last edited by Felis; 12-01-2013 at 10:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki View Post
    So when I see Gauis, who has laid out what he wants in front of me, I have less questions to ask.

    Versus

    Grand Companies and Minfilia's group. They have lied, killed and raped as well. they are no different that the Imperials.
    Who did the GCs and Minfilia rape? Some a-hole in Ul'dah threatens to, and suddenly all of Eorzea is branded rapists apparently. The GCs kill only for defense of the realm, even if the local militaries of each nation are a bit more liberal in that sometimes, and the Scions never asked you to kill anyone until Gaius' "surrender or face extermination with the beastmen" statement. As for lying, well, everyone lies. Just depends what it is for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki View Post
    Not role-playing, just perceiving it different.
    Dark Souls is notorious for this. You have 2 sides, one wants you to allow the bonfires to be kindled for the sake of the age of fire, while the other side wants darkness to reign. Both sides manipulate you to doing what they deem as "good". Though in actuality neither of them is good. Cause the light path needs you to sacrifice humans to light the fires which ends up making undead, and if you don't link the flames darkness reigns which is bad as you can see if you play the Abyss DLC.

    So when I see Gauis, who has laid out what he wants in front of me, I have less questions to ask.
    Not every story follows the "both sides are equally good/bad" archetype, some are just simple clear cut stories. FFS, with your logic you'd probably argue Snow White was really the evil one, and the evil Queen was really just misunderstood.

    Grand Companies and Minfilia's group. They have lied, killed and raped as well. they are no different that the Imperials.
    Lie #1, proof or stfu. No, seriously, where did you even got that from?

    What happened to Minfilia's idea about making peace with the beastmen? It's gone, now she wants them dead as much as the GCs do.
    Lie #2, the only thing the Scions want as far as Beastmen goes is stopping the summoning of Primals, nothing else.

    it's just the lesser of two evils.
    Except one of them is of your own invention for some odd reason
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