Awfully weak story... or is it? [WARNING:SPOILERS]

[Felis]

Speaking of which, our continent looks like..

spain? ^^



/10char

[Aenarion]

Not role-playing, just perceiving it different.
Dark Souls is notorious for this. You have 2 sides, one wants you to allow the bonfires to be kindled for the sake of the age of fire, while the other side wants darkness to reign. Both sides manipulate you to doing what they deem as "good". Though in actuality neither of them is good. Cause the light path needs you to sacrifice humans to light the fires which ends up making undead, and if you don't link the flames darkness reigns which is bad as you can see if you play the Abyss DLC.

So when I see Gauis, who has laid out what he wants in front of me, I have less questions to ask.

Not every story follows the "both sides are equally good/bad" archetype, some are just simple clear cut stories. FFS, with your logic you'd probably argue Snow White was really the evil one, and the evil Queen was really just misunderstood.

Grand Companies and Minfilia's group. They have lied, killed and raped as well. they are no different that the Imperials.

Lie #1, proof or stfu. No, seriously, where did you even got that from?

What happened to Minfilia's idea about making peace with the beastmen? It's gone, now she wants them dead as much as the GCs do.

Lie #2, the only thing the Scions want as far as Beastmen goes is stopping the summoning of Primals, nothing else.

it's just the lesser of two evils.

Except one of them is of your own invention for some odd reason

[Jinrya-Geki]

Oh so it oks for people to say Gaius raped people? What was that cutscene with Ul'dah where you say the woman from the back stabbing merchant? It's implied that they going to make her a slave, and what did people used do to slaves?

Limsa broke it's treaty with the Kobolds and slaughtered them which is why we are fighting Titan and it's why we will fight Leviathan.

Minfilia doesn't even try to tell you to make peace with anymore, and she was completely adamant about this in 1.0. Since she isn't constantly reminding us anymore to make peace with them it make seem like she has realized the only way to stop the primals is to stop the beastmen.

[Ranzan]

This game story was probably one of the lamest stories I HAD to be forced to go thru.
Grand Companies: pointless and imcompotent
Scions: imcompotent and dare I say useless

All while doing the story, I felt like the BIGGEST PEON IN RECORDED HISTORY! You did EVERYTHING, go get this, go do that, go fetch, go save princess peach (Minifia) and her moronic sidekick, kill the primals or any story boss BY YOURSELF and this counrty we are not from. All while the GCs and Scions giving me orders and I just nod...

If I had my way would just shoot them all in the face just because all reasons stated above. Atleast go solo instead of having to join a GC. I never understood wh6 we need to join or help any faction if we have to do ALL the work.

[Psychosamm]

Who is the more stupid, the "nonsense" game with a "mindless grind" or the critic still playing it as of yesterday?

I expected the grind at the end, as it is a mmo. However, the storyline itself was lack luster, and pretty disappointing. Also refrain from calling others stupid when you can't form a grammatically sound sentence.

[Ri_ri]

All the implications of rape sickens me to no end. I didn't expected this in a Final Fantasy game. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't the case in the japanese version, since americans seem so fond of rape and sexism.

Besides that... everyone already pointed out how you just go around doing errands for the grand companies and the scions, even those that they could solve alone.

[Allyrion]

The same can be said for a good man with a few bad eggs in his military. One man can not control every action his troops take when they are around.

One soldier was viciously cutting down an already dead man in the Waking Sands when they took Minfilia. The White armored commander shot that imperial for disobeying her and she's obviously fiercely loyal to Gauis. She could be copying what Gauis would have done.

Unless I see a cutscene specifically showing showing something truly immoral I can't believe he was a truly bad guy.

There is far more evidence to show he was a man trying to do his way for the greater good. Like Durian from the Watchmen, killing millions to save billions.

He can't keep his army under control but he expects to bring order to the whole of Eorzea and the three city states?
That doesn't sound any better.


Also under militaristic societies, the burden of disorder falls on the authorities because they have a simplistic chain of responsibility. You can't hold Ul'dah responsible for a wayward merchant as you can hold Gaius responsible for his army. That's just the case.

Good intentions don't stop you from being evil. He is still coming into people's houses and telling them he now owns it. I don't care how disorganized and messy that house was before he came in, that's bad.
I've never heard dialogue or any implications that the Eorzeans want Garlean rule. All I've read is sentiments of disgust.
He would still be bad just by forcing rule over people, but if he can't actually have complete control over his army then his promises are empty as well.

He may not be the two dimensional evil villain, but he has set himself up as a villain. Good villains have reasonable intentions. They are still evil in the end.
Gauis is a good villain.

[Aenarion]

and the straw grasping continues...

Oh so it oks for people to say Gaius raped people? What was that cutscene with Ul'dah where you say the woman from the back stabbing merchant? It's implied that they going to make her a slave, and what did people used do to slaves?

Gaius is the LEADER of the Legion that conquered and occupied Ala Mhigo, he is the top dog, the boss, it is his domain, whatever he says goes, which includes the oppression and systemic exploitation of the Ala Mhigans.

Random evil merchant guys is... some random street thug who was working with the beastmen(lol!) tribe, if you can't tell the difference between the two, you've got some problems. There are still criminals today that traffics in human, are you going to claim that nations today endorses slavery? because that's exactly the kind of leap you're making here with that merchant bit.

Limsa broke it's treaty with the Kobolds and slaughtered them which is why we are fighting Titan and it's why we will fight Leviathan.

Seriously, at least get your primal/beastmen right, Leviathan is Sahagins, which has always been openly hostile. Also, read up more on the lore please, the conflict is borne out of the Kobold's continued expansion underground, it is essentially a fight over resources, and I'd hardly say the Kobolds were "slaughtered", as Limsa certainly don't have that kind of strength.

Minfilia doesn't even try to tell you to make peace with anymore, and she was completely adamant about this in 1.0. Since she isn't constantly reminding us anymore to make peace with them it make seem like she has realized the only way to stop the primals is to stop the beastmen.

There was no open war in 1.0, the Empire hasn't invaded and set up fortresses in the door step of all the nations, and oh yea, Dalamud hasn't dropped on everyone's head, and Bahamut hasn't blown everyone to hell and back yet.

It's one thing to try to negotiate for peace before open war and when you actually have a measure of strength, it's another to try to do the same when you've been in open war for half a decade, your strengths are weak and decimated, and everyone knows it.

What is she gonna say to the beastmen? please stop summoning primals, i'll give you some pie?

It's hilarious how far you're willing to stretch reality to white wash Gaius, yet how quick you are to condemn the rest of Eorzea as soon as you see someone litter on the sidewalk

[PapesseLudovique]

The story, for the most part, is insultingly bad.
So many sections of story quests that are built around the exact same same premise, of "proving yourself" to people, long after you shouldn't have to. All avoidable, if the main character wasn't a doormat, and your allies simply opened their mouths and vouch for you.

The Costa Del Sol feast was awful enough, but I think I was most insulted by the Coerthas quest line.

It was so lazy and stupidly written. So let me get this straight. Me, guy who slayed two primals, has the backing of the three Grand Companies, a member of the Scions, and all around awesome guy, has to jump through a thousand hoops simply to find out each a-hole I aid, can't help me open a friggin' door so I can go through more hoops just to recover a ship, that willl help save the world. and my character just stood there and took it

[PapesseLudovique]

As for the OP, there is always that subsection of fandom that really wants to paint the bad guys in a positive "misunderstood" light. The empire is evil. Its like when fans do mental gymnastics to justify why the Sith aren't evil, when Lucas has made it clear to everyone else that they so totally are.