Quote Originally Posted by Aruseth View Post
I wasn't arguing the need for some casual players just saying just because their casual they shudnt be handed everything to them on a silver platter.
Never said they should. But they deserve access to the content just like you, and they are just as interested in rewards for the efforts they put into the game - and deserve them equally as much as you do so long as they put in the effort. They may not get there as fast as you do, but that doesn't mean that when they DO get there, they shouldn't be able to get the same shinies you did the first week.

and your wrong imo, casual don't pay the bills cause casual don't play for as long as a hardcore player will they will break from the game for extended periods hence not paying the bills.
Hardcore players do this, too. In fact, they do this more often, because they tend to consume the content at a much higher pace than casual players do. Thus, casual players normally end up being much more reliable, in terms of sub revenue, because they still have things left to do after the hardcore players have cleared every boss and gotten bored.

hardcores keep there subscription going play often and rarely take any breaks from the game
This is not true.

and if they do their subscription continues.
And neither is this.

It isn't true in WoW, SWTOR, Rift, or this game. No one likes to pay for something they're not using, and hardcore raiders are not somehow "addicted" to the game more than more casual players. Sorry, but it's just not accurate.

at the end of the day both are needed but don't think because your casual you should have the ability to get what I can as a hardcore player with little to no effort on your part.
I'm pretty sure if you were as hardcore as you like to claim, you'd have Twintania down, just like if I was seriously hardcore I'd have Heroic Garrosh down on 25 man on 5 alts. But alas, neither of us are really, truly that hardcore. That said, no one has ever asked for equal access to the rewards that are only found in Coils (well, beyond a few very silly people, but they are and should be ignored for such silliness). That does not, however, mean that the entirety of the game should be predicated on the wants and desires of "hardcore" players. This is not a hardcore game, and was not advertised as such. It's very clear that the game is aimed at a mix of players, with different skills and interests - which is a good thing, because it's going to make SE a lot more money in the long run.

Life don't work that way and neither should the game. And I don't care if the casual pay for the game as I do. again ill say it if u don't have the time to put in the effort go buy a console game you can beat in a few hours. otherwise stop whining when S**t gets hard and earn the gear and levels etc.
I haven't seen any "casual" players whining about the content. But I have seen you whining that there's nothing to do. It isn't even a question of having the same rewards - where did I ever, ever say that a casual player should have the same in-game rewards as a hardcore raider? Because I never said that. What I said is that by looking down on and spitting on casual players, and acting like somehow their presence is ruining the game and how dare SE actually aim content at those dirty, worthless players, you're doing yourself a disservice. You're also doing the hardcore raiding community a disservice because you are exactly the kind of elitist that people point to when they say that the hardcore community is ruining the game (it's not, but you're busily digging as deep a hole as possible).