LOL@ Yoshi P's response to why Coil raiders should do Crystal Tower

[Pyretta_Blaze]

Point taken but in all honesty running dungeons is getting really old. How about they make meaningful challenging open world content? I dont mean more fates like odin and bemouth, they really are not challenging due to the fact that they keep disappearing and reappearing. Its more of a major annoyance than anything else. i mean in 4 months they could have come up with something.

I'm with ya.

From my blog:

Instanced vs. Openworld
There are pros and cons to both. If you go with all openworld you risk the possibility of losing an NM to another player or a camp to another party as well as it allows you to bring 20 of your friends to go do something that was probably balanced towards being a challenge to a party of 8. If you go all instanced then you lose the feeling of a persistent world where you will never see anyone except your LS mates and there are no competitive activities of any kind. You would never come across that level 20 CNJ getting their butt kicked by Alux and swoop in with a cure and make a new friend. It would be a cold and lonely world.

Sumasu Sisters Say:
We think nearly everything in the game should be Openworld except those situations where it makes sense to go with instanced.

Things that make sense would be:

• Dungeons and NM battles that are balanced to be a challenge to a party.
• We can't really think of anything else...

Something that takes effort for a party to even travel safely to. Something not marked on the map in a blue circle.

[Babydoll]

My FC is having this issue as well, it sad really. Hopefully Yoshi will change course a tad but I dont know maybe the doom and gloom predictions are correct but time will only tell.

Yeah its sad ; ; Few of my members too aren't logging in much anymore Hope they come back for the patch >.<

[KamikazeMan]

I found it odd that he kept mentioning through the entire LIVE Letter. Every time a question was asked or his answer led to talking about high tier gear, he would mention vanity slots. I understand he kept saying that because people with Coil/Myth gear have nothing to really look forward to in terms of new gear besides maybe extreme primal weapons. However, pushing vanity gear to those players is just ridiculous...since they won't be in the game for another 4-5 months (if there are delays) and not everybody cares about vanity gear. By the time vanity slots become available, there will be (hopefully) better gear for those players to go after. I think what he SHOULD have done, is spoken a bit about the higher tier gear coming in 2.2....just to remind the more hardcore and dedicated players that they have something in store for them.

[Azyurel]

Pretty much...people are denial if they don't think subs are dropping more and more. I see all over FFXIV groups/forums of people complaining how their FC's are getting emptier and emptier. People are bored and doing other things with their time now. I just hope it doesn't get as empty as 1.0 again

I can foresee a good amount of people unsubbing until 2.2 once 2.1 content is dried up. I'll probably be in that boat if I've exhausted enough things to do. No reason in sticking around and paying a subscription fee if there is no content that you desire. Don't think the game will die by any stretch, I am sure this game has enough of a niche that it'd float, but I am not simple enough to not think people will jump ship until new content arives that they want to play.

[Hyrist]

Actually I don't think it's being delivered as initially advertised at all....yes it is definitely the gap filler from fresh 50 to coil, but it's definitely not a community raid like they made it out to be. They turned around and made it into a DF circle jerk. They took away a giant community/FC piece when they didn't allow servers to organize their own CT raids and have alliances etc.

With that said there will probably be very little challenge to the content and it will have to be something that caters to the most casual player. I am envisioning another Praetorium with more players tbh. God I hope they prove me wrong...

I view this more as a slight to the average skill level of the player than the actual substance of your argument. I know players who struggle with the current difficulty of the game, and it does not make them lesser people or players for it. It's time we check the collective pride of the higher end of the skill curve.

Honestly, I'm in the camp that wants more open world content, but some lump a good idea (Open world content with greater depth than fate) with a bad idea (Make portions of the open world inaccessible), and honestly, trying to properly balance open world content with the current claim system is non-existent. It just can't be done the way people invision it.

Now... something to do with the way the Leve system works, in which parties could activate leves to challenge truly powerful enemies in the open field, that I can see being done.

[Tupsi]

And yet, has the single most likes of any post here.

If you hadn't notice by now - Most "going against popular opinion" posts by certain people tend to get a lot of likes on these forums, whereas on zam, you tend to get rated into oblivion depending on who posted it.

Saying "it has a lot of likes" really mean nothing, because I can look at any topic and see someone say: "This topic again?" and it has the most likes.

The fact that whether or not Starwinds or my viewpoints on Progression Obsession is in the minority, those who are at the point where gear from CT is not an upgrade to current pieces of gear are in a minority as well.

4 months and no one is doing any end-game..? There must have been more end-game content to keep people satisfied before reaching not only the current progression stop, but also end of the main storyline so far. Minority I guess means only people on legacy worlds have entered coil, yeah?

[Hyrist]

If you hadn't notice by now - Most "going against popular opinion" posts by certain people tend to get a lot of likes on these forums, whereas on zam, you tend to get rated into oblivion depending on who posted it.

Saying "it has a lot of likes" really mean nothing, because I can look at any topic and see someone say: "This topic again?" and it has the most likes.

I see you took the bait on that one. The point I was making with that comment is that everyone thinks they represent the majority without hard evidence to substantiate their claim. Yet, when hard indications of popular opinions do not swing their way, they're quick to deny what evidence is provided. Confirmation bias at its finest.

4 months and no one is doing any end-game..? There must have been more end-game content to keep people satisfied before reaching not only the current progression stop, but also end of the main storyline so far. Minority I guess means only people on legacy worlds have entered coil, yeah?

Putting words in my mouth much? I said the coil endgame was in the minority. And that the majority of players are actually pre-coil and will benefit from Crystal Tower being exactly as it is. The exact numbers? That's in SE's hands, not yours, not mine. Last data provided indicated that there was large population not even complete with the main storyline. Given that data was provided a month ago? I'd say we're at the point where the bulk of players are just now challenging their relic quests or going back to level secondary classes -but that's speculation.

Regardless, if you wish to add weight to your words, do so with your subscription. However, know that there was an expected bleed off in population before they even got hit with a population far beyond their expected numbers: That's how we got into this 'four weeks behind schedule' debacle to begin with.

[Maxthunder]

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I am from 1.0 and when I returned to 2.0 everything was capped every job you name it. I have gotten every relic for every job, I have literally done everything. I am on turn 5 not far from finishing that. Do turns 1-4 on monday and cap myth, so all I have to look forward too is turn 5 and farming for gil, not like gil matters as there is nothing worth buying.

Did I rush no but it seems Yoshi forgot about the 1.0 players even though WE paid by subbing to 1.0 and what do we have to show for it? So far we have a game that is heavily catering to 1 side, and thats the casuals but he said he wanted a broad audience, but it is becoming clear he dosent want us hardcore players. A game needs both it needs it needs casuals mid and hardcore players but most of all it needs the content to be balanced for all player types but currently XIV is unbalanced to an extent. When I see members in my FC and other linkshells start to get smaller and smaller on the logins it showing me somethings wrong. I havent seen some 1.0 players who use to be on everyday at the start they dont long in at all if at all now, its really a major disappointment considering they would long in everyday in 1.0.

[PeppeLepeu]

Honestly have you seen any MMO that has released since the 2004-5 days that kept the release numbers post the 3 month mark? Everyones comments about numbers dropping a bit make sense but... on the flip side I have seen myself and others coming back. its just the natural ebb and flow of the mmo market these days. Everyone wants a game with 20 miles of content like the ones that have had 10 expansions but refuse understand content takes time to make, test, release. You're more then welcome to run this new content get the gear for looks and save it for vanity slots.
That said I am just excited that for my next class leveling experience I will have dungeons as a legitimate way to level.... hopefully... I hate fates =(

[Tanama]

Now... something to do with the way the Leve system works, in which parties could activate leves to challenge truly powerful enemies in the open field, that I can see being done.

Reading this made me think of this concept art.



I agree. Using the leve system to set up challenging content would be pretty awesome. Though I can see people complaining once they run out of leves for the day.