2.1 Steel Cyclone, Not Enough

[Phreak]

IMO adding more to the buffs that have already been presented may not be a good idea right now and such changes may be warranted after the updates in 2.1 come out and people can actually see for themselves where that leaves WAR.

With how much contention there already is surrounding whether or not the changes will result in the classes being balanced, I don't think that now is the best time to ask for more.

I could get behind there being some additional tweaks, changes or buffs to WAR, however for such to be considered I think it only fair to then consider also doing the same for PLD.

For example if you want to improve Steel Cyclone because you don't feel that it is as good as or as useful overall as some of the other WAR combo abilities, that is fine and is a sensible request, but then PLD should have something done to Riot Blade to make it better and more useful to PLD since running out of MP pretty much only happens when spamming Flash.

That's all well and good if we were talking about balances between WAR and PLD but this is between the attractiveness of a single target ability (Inner Beast) vs. an Area of Effect ability (Steel Cyclone) during situations where you are fighting multiple enemies. It is also about knocking up the attractiveness of 2 rather bland abilities.

[Traek]

*Edit* Snip TouchandFeel being a stand up guy.

[Phreak]

I get that, hence why I referred to such a request as being sensible. My point was that wanting such changes at this juncture is fine, but that you should then also be open to others that also want such changes done to their class.

While I know my response wasn't 100% on topic, I felt it was worth saying.

Alright yeah, there are quite a few things I would like to see done to PLD (Shield Swipe/only one real combo/bland AoE rotation/Tempered will/oddly long CD on Bulwark/more action from our sheilds).

I just want to avoid this turning into another PLD vs 2.1 WAR debate.