Thread: 2.1 Steel Cyclone, Not Enough

Originally Posted by LunaChild

I like this idea

Steel Cyclone
Delivers an attack with a potency of 150 to all nearby enemies. Ignores the 35% damage penalty inflicted by Defiance. Can only be executed when Infuriated. Consume all Wrath when used.
Additional Effect: Increase potency by 20 for each Wrath consumed. Increased Enmity.

Maybe for the DPS version of MRD but as a tank I'm not looking to do extra damage I'm looking to take less damage, the whole point of the original suggestions were to put Steel Cyclone on an equal or a slightly better level than Inner Beast (in 2.1) when presented with multiple targets to hit/tank. So that were not spending our stacks in almost every single tanking scenario on Inner Beast while making a lackluster ability feel useful again.

Originally Posted by Phreak

I think for SC to ever see real use it would need some sort of damage management buff/debuff that increases in benefit the more mobs it hits, scaling so when you hit say 4+ mobs it outshines Inner Beast's DR.

While I agree it needs damage management, outshining IB 20% DR would be OP. I was thinking a little more sustained but lower % DR to put us more in line with shield blocking. Numbers can be tweaked of course but we are getting some powerful tools to put us in line with PLDs come 2.1, I don't want to step over the line, just nudge us closer.

Originally Posted by Calib0s

I'd like to see it changed to heal for 50% of damage dealt, and grant 7% DR per target hit (max 20%) for 6 seconds, effectively becoming an Inner Beast substitute against 3+ targets.

I do find the idea of per target hit a fun idea that adds some flavor. Makes you think of positioning and gathering to add it all up. Like I said above, encroaching on IB 20% DR seems to add up and edge the line of OP. We are getting damage/threat, some heals from Bloodbath, and for free (possible double tap as well). I'm not against it, but I'm trying to be conservative to stand with PLDs, and not clearly edge them out of any role.

Originally Posted by BobbinT

Steel Cyclone's 1.0 version anyone? lol

I thought of this earlier, I like the idea of a parry buff for it to match up to Shield block/extra mitigation, but the point is to not be able to use in conjunction with abilities like IB for some form of super mitigation on Single Targets etc. That is why I suggest straight DR and not allowing it to happen with IB.

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Originally Posted by Phreak

Steel Cyclone
Delivers an attack with a potency of 200 to all nearby enemies and reduces damage taken by 10% for 4 seconds, reduce damage taken by an additional 5% and increase duration by 2 seconds for each additional enemy hit. Ignores the 35% damage penalty inflicted by Defiance. Can only be executed when Infuriated. All Wrath is lost when used. Additional Effect: Increased Enmity

I like what you did thar! Again depending on the DR and numbers. Capping at 20% and 8 sec would be a max IMO. Honestly even 15% DR on 8 seconds would seem very reasonable. Without knowing relative damage mitigation on PLDs/WARs in this scenario I am hesitant for the higher DR %s. If people could do the math I'd be interested.

Originally Posted by Traek

On this note, I figure even at a 10% DR, when you add in enmity modifiers and AoE + Damage + Extended time (8-10 seconds instead of 6) it is more then enough reason to use SC for pickup...I certainly wish they'd add viable wrath building for AoE scenarios. Each overpower adding a wrath stack seems too strong. Perhaps a chance % for it might work out better.

I personally would like to see SC become a staple Wrath dump for AoE situations rather than just a pickup tool.

In regards to a % chance for wrath generation rather than guarnteed I can agree.

Normal wrath generate = ~8 GCDs or 20 seconds
Original Over Power idea = 5 GCDs or 12.5 seconds

12.5 seconds is 62.5% of 20 so maybe give it a 60-70% chance @ 3+ mobs, or to mirror the proposed SC chance baseline 50% with an increase per mob (up to 70%).

I would really like to see a shift in ability usage once we encounter multiple enemies making Over Power + SC our go to kit with maybe keeping maim up as a personal option, leave Flash/SoC spam and tabbing to the PLDs.

Originally Posted by Naelle

Bring back the heal on critical and the stun. The only thing broken about 1.0 cyclone was the damage.

I'd rather not it be a flip of the coin as to whether or not it was a good idea to use SC or IB in an AoE situation. Also the Heal on critical wasn't specifically tied to SC it was Rampage.