Please don't remove Invigorate from BRD ><

[knite23]

there arnt any scenarios anymore cause everything is easy mode in 1.0 there was many scenarios where brd would be the one casting buffs because whm had to lietrally keep healing or the tank would die. i dont think they would have to change much to make brds use there mp for other things. my mp pool is 2000 and i main brd the only time i ever run out of mp is 1) i forgot a song was up it drained all my mp and 2.) i got tired of whms crying about mana so i left my song up the entire time on purpose so i can say im out of mp yall are shit out of luck buy mana potions but other than that brds should have half to full mana at all times i havent had one fight in which i had to have my brd song up so long it drained my mp and for the ppl who play brd all should be using bv and ballad anyway to top off the healers mana the mana regen with bv is op and there is no reason u should have to keep up the buff more than 15 to 20 secs at a time just like the rest of the buffs in the game which are all 20 to 15 secs if not less but if they wanted brds to be more a support roles and actually need to use ss protect a raise a heal they would need to make the battles more difficult

[knite23]

Could you please post a link?

not going to find a link to the obvious if u played the game u would know its wasnt meant to be a full dps job thats why they are nerfing it to begin with because they feel like the job does to much damage even though everyone knows that brds are lowest dps in the game rite now once u get deep into endgame plus they still have a heal LB rite and the reason they took cnj away and gave it pug is because they wanted to give brd more damage the crit buff.. and second wind as there heal also mantra another support skill lol like our songs..... and those actions from mnk made ppl feel more like dd but we still are the lowest dd of all the dds jobs lol but because of all the QQers who wanted a rng dd job now not a rng support job this is wat we get and the fights are so easy right now u wont find many situation a brd will have to support and its the life line to keep the party going hopefully later on but not at the moment

[Thorauku]

If they remove Invigorate, say goodbye to Mage Ballad / Foe Requiem as well crybabies, because we will need Army Paeon to keep up our TP during AoE Phase, and that will also mean BRDs will become a dead weight in the party hence no one will take them anymore, well Silence aside ofcourse, but meh, Paladins can do it too.

[Leon_Stormrage]

please think before u post stone skin and protect are set values now read there tooltips lol or better yet read your character stats unlike 1.0 there are no longer any stats that increase buffs smh >_<

If I am not wrong there are traits for those abilities and the traits are not shared between classes right?
Yes. I am not wrong

[RyuujinZERO]

I got it!

Switch out one of Bard's cross classes for conjurer - and allow bard to select repose as a cross-class ability. Giving them a way to sleep targets would fit well with the theme, provide meaningful support options

[whoopeeragon]

Proof please.

4 support-oriented job abilities.
Support-based limit break.

I think those two pretty much nail BRD into place as a more support-role than DPS as the others are.

So why did they change CNJ as subclass for BRD from beta?

Why change WHM from GLA to ACN? Why change BLM from PGL to ACN? Why change DRG from ARC to MRD? Why have change at all? I don't see a point to your question.

[Leon_Stormrage]

4 support-oriented job abilities.
Support-based limit break.

I think those two pretty much nail BRD into place as a more support-role than DPS as the others are.

And we have like 15 more dps abilities I don't see your point...
Bard = DPS role with some utility. Is more supportive than a dragoon for example but it still being DPS

[Elazu]

nail BRD into place as a more support-role than DPS as the others are.

Perm 10% crit increase. 2 massive DPS boost cross-class abilities from the 2 best DPS classes in the game. 2 massive DPS boost abilities from the Bard. A skill that reduces enmity due to the big burst. A skill that triples auto attack damage. 2 crittable DoTs that can reset a high potency ability that is off the GCD. A TP restoring cross-class ability.

If they intended Bard to be a support class, they shouldn't have given them all these amazing DPS tools.

Now, I personally would prefer Bard to be an actual support class (but then give people who want ranged DPS a Ranger job, since the number of classes in this is a joke as it is), but SE took out the support role and made Bard a DPS class. There are remnants of the support-class plan left (LB, songs) but anyone who says Bard is not mainly a DPS class should think again.

I also don't see the point in giving Bards CNJ abilities...when would one use them? And why? Cure without mind? Stoneskin which only shields 10% when not used by a WHM? I could see ACN being somewhat useful for Eye for an Eye and Virus...but then again, every BLM and WHM has that.

So in my opinion, either give us an actual support role, make parties consist of 5 members (tank-dps-dps-healer-support) and rebalance the whole game or keep Bard as a DPS class.

[Battlewrench]

Monk buuuuuuffffff mmmmm yeeeesss lemme task your brds tears

Edit : yea I'm maining a monk and know we DPS well but am for the buff cause brd as it stands alienates most other DPS for certain runs.

[Rjain]

The defense here is hilarious.

Bard's have a far simpler job than any other DPS. The only thing they don't bring is a desirable limit break. SE could do two things, they could buff all other DDs (and have to consider rebalancing content) or they could nerf one job.

Oh look, someone who hasn't even touched archer telling others that bard is easy.

While I will agree that it's definitely easier than monk or dragoon for leveling and pre-endgame content, bard is one of the most if not the most difficult job to play correctly for endgame. It is not just stand there DPSing/dodging. Bards typically have far more to do than other jobs and far more to look out for. They kite, they do mandatory silences, they place damage mitigation at key times, they have to use songs at key times, on top of trying to maximize their damage. Their damage mitigation ability costs 200 TP, so even with invigorate bards will often find themselves at 0 TP just for doing what they're supposed to do without worrying about max damage.

This is coming from someone who has geared nearly every job and has utilized every job in endgame.