MVP Voting

[amnie]

That's exactly how it will work. If everyone in the party votes for someone else and everyone gets 1 vote, there is no MVP. And yes, if you queue up with 2 friends, your only option is to vote for that one person, or not vote at all. The ONLY thing this system is in place for is to encourage "good" play with strangers to improve the quality of runs with people you don't know.

But you're correct, not voting does not increase the chances of you getting MVP, for anyone to get MVP, they would need at least 2 votes, if 2 out of the 3 people don't vote for you, you voting, or not voting, will not change the fact you won't win that time.

but where does it say that? I understood it differently. if that is the case, then the system is obviously cowdung. (well, not entirely, but a lot worse than just individual voting)

[Sephirah]

but where does it say that? I understood it differently. if that is the case, then the system is obviously cowdung. (well, not entirely, but a lot worse than just individual voting)

I think you're confusing things. It's not 1 vote for the entire party, but it IS only ONE MVP per party. Everyone will still get to cast their own vote, but only for the one person they thought was MvP. It wouldn't make sense if you could vote for everyone in the same run. They also consistently refer to it as "the mvp vote" singular, not votes.

[Gardes]

All these fear of never getting the MVP is hilarious. What it boils down to is basically people having the mindset of 'if i cant win, everybody should lose' in my eyes. Thinking most VALUABLE person system will also include most USELESS person voting is also hilarious.

Maybe we should put ally/betray system from virtue's last reward for DF. At the end of the dungeon, everyone is forced to vote between ally or betray.
If everyone in the party votes ally, their tomes get doubled.
If someone votes betray, that player's tomes will get tripled while the rest who picked ally gets their tome reward halved.
If everyone votes betray, they get 0 tomes.

That'll be fun, don't you think?

[KraggyKor]

hmm, so you basically can't vote if the team is unable to defeat last boss? a.k.a duty failure?

This!

I was healer in a group a couple of days ago that failed to kill the last boss in WP, basically we weren't able to DPS it down fast enough, both DPS were new to the instance. However, it wasn't for a lack of trying and the tank who had run it umpteen times never once said anything derogatory and simply started again.

To ME that is the epitome of 'MVP' behaviour, most folks can be 'good' when things go well, it's when they go tits-up that they shine. Voting should be on EXIT from the Duty, NOT when thre last boss dies: maybe with the proviso at least the first boss is killed to prevent trivial abuse.

[Steeled]

You just can't quantify good performance and good attitude.

I pug WPs, I really just don't care. First thing I do is check my healer's and dps gear when I enter. If the healer's gear looks new, or the dps look new (unless one is a smn/brd or healer looks like a decent sch), I just can't see a benefit to chainpulling, so I don't. I never do a pull by itself, because I do recognize limited aoe of other jobs, and of Paladin (Circle of scorn, lol), but I just don't feel the need to push in a group that doesn't aoe well or has poor gear.

I'm doing the group a favor, honestly. Oh my god, the run took 8 minutes longer, but we didn't wipe, I didn't stress anyone, the healer didn't oom because the group couldn't kill fast enough.

I've been thanked for this attitude and I've been cussed out for it, but I'm the tank and the speed of the instance is my perogative.

The attitude of players in thsi game is very funny. As the tank, there are two legitimate reasons to complain at me: I'm legitimately losing hate or I'm unable to dodge specials. Complain because you don't like my pull speed (which again, is usually a courtesy for someone else in the group, and on one occasion, the person complaining--a white weapon drg) or because I only ever bother to mark <1> (and I move 1 throughout the battle so dps know what to kill next).

I just don't know.

[Bethor]

Hmm I dunno if this is going to work out all too well. While I like the idea of up-voting someone who has been doing a great job or made the last DF run funny... it's nothing really valueable to other players. There are no benefits of getting a good MVP vote.

- Other's can see that MVP value? Who cares.
- Incase we will be able to pick the "minimum MVP value" for DF (which will never happen anyway) there will be longer queueing on DF
- Incase the run went all smooth (due to expierenced group) how do we determine which one to vote? Noone did anything exceptional good/bad, no vote at all? Not rewarding enough

While I'd up-vote these players who made my day in that dungeon/content, other's will plainly not vote anyone since there are no rewards at all. This just takes up too much time on Yoshi's side to implement and maintain whilst they could do other stuff which is far more important. And in the end, players with high MVP votes can still be douchebags. Just FYI.

[amnie]

I think you're confusing things. It's not 1 vote for the entire party, but it IS only ONE MVP per party. Everyone will still get to cast their own vote, but only for the one person they thought was MvP. It wouldn't make sense if you could vote for everyone in the same run. They also consistently refer to it as "the mvp vote" singular, not votes.

no I got that, I just want to have a source for it. i'm not even denying it, just saying IF this is the case then more people need to be made aware of it - which is going to be difficult if there's no definite source. all I can find is what is written here.

it's not in-game yet, so we still have time to tell SE that we want a more 'clear' MVP system, where someone who WAS deemed 'worthy' will get a vote, and not get shafted just because only one out of 7 people realised highest dps isn't everything.

[Billie21]

I also understood it as a "the more overall votes you get, the closer to getting a reward you are", rather than a "only one mvp per dungeon".
For example you run with a PUG, one guy votes for you (you get 1 vote like you would get one "token") and another guy in the PUG gets two votes (two more "tokens" for him), an since one member didn't vote, the other two get nothing.
That's what I had understood, and find it a bit more interesting than the "only one MVP per dungeon, the one that gets most votes on this run gets "+1 MVP token" (to keep my comparision) others get nothing (even if someone voted for them).



In any case, I find many reactions on this thread quite interesting.

In Uni, I had a course in "group behaviour". One excercise was interesting:
You tell a group of people that they can only communicate with each other by passing each other pieces of papers on which they had written one question and one answer at most. you could only give your paper to one person at a time (you could do this multiple times, but no "group communication").
The goal is to "find out everyone's date of birth as fast as possible" (nothing more was specified)

The teacher told us this exercise with western population (can't remember which country it was), a majority of groups understood this as a "I must find out first" and took it as a competiton against the other members of the group. Some even went as far as hiding information (not telling other people their own date of birth).
On a Chineese population, a majority of groups understood it as a group goal: all their papers were giving away their date of birth (and the dates of other people if they already knew it) and asking "what about you?". So that the group found the answer much faster.

It's interesting to see how everyone here understand the MVP based on the information given by Yoshi P

[amnie]

holy sh we totally did that in my sociology course! (and talked about it, of course :P)

[Saevel]

Maybe we should put ally/betray system from virtue's last reward for DF. At the end of the dungeon, everyone is forced to vote between ally or betray.
If everyone in the party votes ally, their tomes get doubled.
If someone votes betray, that player's tomes will get tripled while the rest who picked ally gets their tome reward halved.
If everyone votes betray, they get 0 tomes.

A multiplayer Prisoner's Dilemma... That would be fun indeed.