MVP Voting

[Steeled]

so only 1 person can be mvp? ah good pre made 3 man party we don't ever vote we have 100% chance of one of us being mvp cause you can't vote for yourself and we vote for noone then if they vote (since they don't have to) noone but us can be mvp rinse repeat till either noone goes into dungeons solo or we all have gotten enough points for our items and we never have to do it again.

This should be quoted in the OP. This is startlingly simple exploit of a bad system.

[Sephirah]

so only 1 person can be mvp? ah good pre made 3 man party we don't ever vote we have 100% chance of one of us being mvp cause you can't vote for yourself and we vote for noone then if they vote (since they don't have to) noone but us can be mvp rinse repeat till either noone goes into dungeons solo or we all have gotten enough points for our items and we never have to do it again.

How is that an exploit? At best, it's only slightly improving your chances for winning MVP, and 2 of the 3 people still won't be getting rewards. Saying you can do this till you don't need the points for gear anymore is no different than queueing up solo and running it till you don't need any more points. If 3 people want to run dungeons and just not vote for the random person they are running with, big deal, if THAT is their "exploit" for earning rewards faster, they're still going to be running about 3 times the amount of dungeons they would each need to run it if they were solo, as there is no guarantee the 1 person would switch each time.

And ya know what, all you people that are trying to find ways to exploit this, or for whatever reason have just decided you're never voting for anyone to increase your chances of winning, you don't need to worry about it, because you're the type of people that really will never be voted MvP. Just be a nice player in DF, and do your job, stop crying because someone else got icecream for dessert.

[Musashidon]

you seem to only see it your way and make everyone else seem to sound like victims when that isn't the case, the point is how simple it is to screw the system over it's ok that people can enter with 3 and screw that one person over? the whole reason the system is there is to make people nice make things better but all we see it doing is making things worse, people already afk in dungeons or join in progress and leave if they aren't at the end, and this is suppose to fix that how? how is it suppose to make things better by giving rewards that are based on a majority vote why even vote at all if voting means you could make yourself lose it makes not sense.

it's not about someone else getting something better its about this system does nothing to encourage people from being rude in the end all it does it give more incentive to be rude.

[Sephirah]

it's not about someone else getting something better its about this system does nothing to encourage people from being rude in the end all it does it give more incentive to be rude.

It does though. If 3 people decide they want to run DF groups to screw that 1 person out of a vote, I doubt they'll be helpful in the dungeon, and most likely won't get a vote from that one person.

This is a system designed around 4 random people. I can guarantee you, I will be getting MvP more than any of those 3 people by queuing up alone, and being a helpful and good tank for the 3 random people that join. I won't rage when we wipe, I'll explain boss strategies for first timers, and be an over-all pleasant person.

By choosing to do something like not vote JUST to increase your chances, you're just proving that you're the kind of person that doesn't deserve to be called MvP, even if it was a title and nothing else.

[Musashidon]

honestly i hope you're right cause i do wanna see this a success i just don't see it working out, but i guess we will see and pray for the best.

[Gardes]

so only 1 person can be mvp? ah good pre made 3 man party we don't ever vote we have 100% chance of one of us being mvp cause you can't vote for yourself and we vote for noone then if they vote (since they don't have to) noone but us can be mvp

There's a few scenarios to this:

The three of you tells the random that you three are together and that he will not get any votes from you three
Result? Most likely no vote from the random at the end.

The three of you say nothing and the random thinks the party is so-so, and none of you did anything special to impress him
Result? Most likely no vote from the random since he'd rather just leg it to the portal asap

The three of you say nothing and the random thinks that one of you did really good and impressed him
Result? He votes for one of you and...that person earned it? If the three of you somehow managed to think that you have successfully abused the system this way...lol.

The last boss drops an item that the random wants and the 3 of you threatens to roll on it if the random doesnt vote (supposing that the vote result is displayed before you leave the instance
If the random cannot need it, he should have come to the dungeon as a class that can need roll on it. If the random can need it but one of you three can also need it, he now has to decide whether to trust the unsavory bunch will keep their word or leave it to his luck on roll and fight with his need roll against your need roll. He can also lie about voting, you three can lie on the roll promise, in the end, nobody actually deserved the mvp.

rinse repeat till either noone goes into dungeons solo or we all have gotten enough points for our items and we never have to do it again.

People wont go to the dungeons just for the mvp coins. I mean, what are we going to the dungeons right now for? Tomes.

Unbelievable. The attitudes in these posts are like a hacker crying about a weakness in a bank's digital security sytem and then hacking it, saying that you want to show where the flaw is...and then run with the money anyway.

bottom line, voting for someone always decreases my chances of winning. not voting for someone always increases my odds

So, you're saying, that nobody will vote because it'll hurt their chances, so nobody will get mvp. You know what? Good.

Nobody votes, nobody wins. But now there will be people who will not act in a manner that will hurt their chances of getting mvp even further. I'd say that's something accomplished.

[DragonFlyy]

so only 1 person can be mvp? ah good pre made 3 man party we don't ever vote we have 100% chance of one of us being mvp cause you can't vote for yourself and we vote for noone then if they vote (since they don't have to) noone but us can be mvp rinse repeat till either noone goes into dungeons solo or we all have gotten enough points for our items and we never have to do it again.

Your idea won't do much for you anyway:

The MIP feature can only be used when you are playing solo. This is both for the voter and the person that is being voted for.

So you and your three friends won't have the option to vote, the other two randoms can vote on only the other. So in essence your 3 will never get an MIP vote, and the other two will tie making them each get a vote, or no one get MIP from that run.

[Bixby]

So you and your three friends won't have the option to vote, the other two randoms can vote on only the other. So in essence your 3 will never get an MIP vote, and the other two will tie making them each get a vote, or no one get MIP from that run.

The other one won't be able to vote for anyone at all. Four-man parties, not five.

[amnie]

I still want a source for this to be actually the case. if it is the case SE needs to be aware that they have to change it into a 'single MVP' (aka everyone who gets a vote will also get an MVP)

[Steeled]

The key point is that you cannot quantify good play beyond success, and you cannot use a program to really detect where the failure was.

Things are lost in the heat of battle. First boss of AK is easy, but I prefer DPS that let the rock adds get to me before they kill them, but some think it's cute to stun it {Over There} and kill it before it gets to me. Later in the fight when you're dealing with big red, rock adds take just a second longer to pick up if i couldn't drop the pile of rubble where I wanted.

(Now I'm fond of just tanking the rock adds too, and not killing them, but this is an example.)

Did the Paladin really fail at stunning Ifrit or has someone in the alliance got their stun in their rotation? You can check the log to see, but we all know how painful these logs are to navigate.

MVP has good intentions but it's an awful and exploitable system, especially this "no vote" notion.

Want more tanks to queue for randoms? Give them a reward for it, not necessarily tomes. Same for healers. DPS aren't as left out in the cold as they try to imply. Anyone can roll a tank and participate. If enough people do then dps becomes the prized role (lol, probably not).