So which is it Yoshi?

[Sephirah]

Serious question, op, who is paying you to post?

Don't see how you could support yourself otherwise, ya know, food... Shelter... Etc. given how much time you must spend here.

It's called multi-tasking. I'm sorry you aren't effective enough at micro-managing your own time that you think it's impossible to spend 30 seconds writing a post every now and then, but I can. I'm actually at work RIGHT NOW. XD

Another Sephirah topic.
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Yup, it's my topic. Pointing out a discrepancy in the information being provided to us.

Edit: yay post limits

Now this was insightful!!!

I agree with your views on why he's doing what he's doing Tahldon, but No child left behind was the dumbest thing ever, and it's dumb here to. I'm not looking for bragging rights, running coils is already enough to "brag" about to anyone not already running it.

The problem is, (most)people will always take the easy way. If you can be equally rewarded for putting in less effort, then why waste your time or efforts on the more difficult route? And running coils is not mutually exclusive from earning myth gear, if you're clearing coils, you're earning myth gear at the same time.

You should be rewarded for your efforts, not your lack of them.

[Tahldon]

Community Reps actually said that the brackets in the title doesn't get any more attention than a normal thread, recently.

Eh, I feel like the vision Yoshi-P has for the game is fine. I mean, I more or less want to break down what the "incentive" would be between the two types of players? The biggest thing I tend to feel from the OP is that there should be a drastic difference between the hardcore and the casual player in terms of gear or something. Is that the incentive?

I mean, I'm all for having something to show for the work in certain regards, but I also understand where Yoshi-P is coming from when he says he doesn't want that huge player gap. It seems, to me, as though he wants to bring the FFXIV community of players up together as a whole as opposed to having a huge rift between the two types of players. It's his own sort of "No players left behind" sort of deal, I'd wager.

Personally, I don't really mind any of it. I've played games before where I have tried to stand out and stand apart from lower level players, but I kind of fell out of that because I felt like it was like me holding my prize over the new guy's head like "Heh, look at this. Bet you wish you had it huh? Too bad you're not as hardcore as I am. Get yo' head right, son! You'll get there one day!" But that's all it is... bragging rights, or so I feel in any case. I tend to think that Yoshi-P is overlooking peoples' urges for that and trying to make a way for both types of player to earn their "power/gear" in a way that works best for them so that they can still play together and experience the game in a little sort of community.

I dunno, though, maybe I'm just odd. I kinda feel like people want to loom things over other people's heads just to say "I have this and you don't. Suck it." or "If you played harder, you'd have all this." Kind of feels like something a big brother would do to a younger one.

[Bizniztyme]

I mean, I'm all for having something to show for the work in certain regards, but I also understand where Yoshi-P is coming from when he says he doesn't want that huge player gap. It seems, to me, as though he wants to bring the FFXIV community of players up together as a whole as opposed to having a huge rift between the two types of players. It's his own sort of "No players left behind" sort of deal, I'd wager.

I dunno, though, maybe I'm just odd. I kinda feel like people want to loom things over other people's heads just to say "I have this and you don't. Suck it." or "If you played harder, you'd have all this." Kind of feels like something a big brother would do to a younger one.

Now this was insightful!!!

[Hyrist]

When your name, becomes it's own title for a thread, we've got a problem. *chuckle*


I was under the impression that someone who was going for BiS, would be both gathering Tomes, AND doing Algallean gear.

Seeming most people would not be able to pursue both, that would still validate Yoshi's statement about best gear not being easily accessible to all players, especially when considering the skill requirement for Coil. Meanwhile, those who play more casually, will take the path of least resistance, ignore the BiS items coming out of Coil, and stick to Relic(Myth Tome) gear.

Or, those with a dedicated static for Coil, but not enough time to grind out Myth, may stick purely to Coil gear. Only the most dedicated of players will be successful pursuing both at once. Donno why OP is trying to force-feed their own perspective as infallible logic into this.

But again, I'm not touching endgame until post 2.1. Limited availability in game, classes/subclasses to level. Haven't found a dedicated group I'd feel comfortable running such things with. Multiple characters to decide where I want to focus on. So many factors keeping me from approaching this endgame in earnest yet.

[Mazi]

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I see where you are coming from and agree for the most part, I do think though that if you clear the hardest content you should get better stuff not WAY better but even like +1 or 2 more in the main stat ya know just a little bit to be proud of.

[Billzey]

Please dont assume that everyone will use BiS AF2/Allagan gear. I for one will be using full allagan set once i have it. ^^"

He was assuming that everyone would be intelligent enough not to wear full allagan/AF2, which is really not that far-fetched of an assumption when you consider how easy it is to determine BiS. Especially when vanity slots are introduced, there is no excuse for intentionally gimping yourself.

[Pooky]

Yeah its a bit weird that he is implying that a person Allagan gear = skilled hardcore while a person in AF+ gear = unskilled casual. I'm doing coil regularly. I'm really only interested in the accessories, cause my visible armour I want AF+. I'm not trying to extreme min/max and would rather have a full set of one type than random pieces here and there. You can't tell just by looking at a person's gear what their playstyle is.

I do wish vanity slots were considered more of an urgent issue by Square though. If we had vanity slots, I could go the extreme min/max route. Heck, I wanna do Coil in full Lightning gear xD.

[Aerostein]

Yup, it's my topic. Pointing out a discrepancy in the information being provided to us.

Edit: yay post limits

Didn't mean anything by it, you're just one of those posters, you know? lol
You make some valid points though. Personally, I have mixed feelings about it all. Seems to be playing it rather safe.

[Giantbane]

Again, the myth gear is JUST as good as the Allagan gear, infact, "BiS" combinations require a combination of the 2, nobody is going to wear full allagan and nothing else. "Exclusive" in this case means nothing more than appearance...

I'm really worried you guys are making this game TOO casual friendly. I have no problems with casual players, and think they deserve to enjoy the game as much as anyone else, but there needs to be incentive for "end-game" or "hard-core" players.

There seem to be conflicting statements being made...

Hard core players get myth gear AND allagan gear, so they can fill out their slots in ilvl90 gear faster.

Casuals have to wait because they can only get myth so fast.

That was the difference he was implying.

The reason for no ilvl90 crafted gear right now probably has more to do with them not coming up with a method to limit the rate you could acquire it (in addition to other effects he mentioned).

[Sephirah]

Hard core players get myth gear AND allagan gear, so they can fill out their slots in ilvl90 gear faster.

Casuals have to wait because they can only get myth so fast.

That was the difference he was implying.

As I said in another thread about this, when turns 1-4 can be cleared in DL, and there is currently nothing harder than Twintania, the rate at which you gear up is irrelevant. So the "hard-core" players can get gear faster to help them clear... the exact same content that the casuals can.