Why is there still so much to do at end game?

[Kosmos992k]

Nah, you're presenting your opinion as fact. For example:

But if most hardcores like myself can max a 50 and get relic and full DL in under 3 to 4 days. Then well this game is just a fail.

Hardcores are not the majority. So no, the game may be a fail to the people who play the way you do, but your opinion (which you're entitled to) does not represent most of the playerbase.

You know, I think it's time we re-think the definition of 'hardcore' and 'casual'. Seems to me that the players that blast their way to DL+Relic in 3/4 days and whine about nothing to do are not very 'hardcore' since once their feeding frenzy is over their playing hours drop like a stone and their whining hours rise like a Tsunami. Just like locusts they have stripped the food supply bare and are now starving because of their own greed.

On the other hand players who take their time, inhabit the game world, role play, chat, socialize and generally speaking play in the alternate universe Eorzea supplies seem to me to be a lot more 'hardcore', since they will continue to support this game for months and years to come. While the 'casual' locusts have moved to another source of food to exhaust in days.

I saw someone earlier in the thread deride the idea that people might actually role play - IN A ROLE PLAYING GAME!? The sentiment was that 'hardcores' wouldn't do that, only 'casuals' would.

Well it seems to me that 'hardcor'e RPG players are the ones that inhabit the world and make a long term commitment to playing their character in this world, where as the 'casuals' are the once who feed on the content like locusts, power leveling their way to DL+relic in a week or less and then switch to playing their myth cap once a week in a few hours. I mean in the long term, the 'hardcore' players are the ones here every day, the ones still playing the same character in 6 months, the ones helping the new players, the ones who actually enjoy the game and commit to it. The 'casuals' are the ones who's interest is only superficial and drifts once their feeding frenzy is at an end.

[Mega_Man_U]

Kosmos, I wish I could marry your post.

[Babydoll]

Once everyone accepts this game has issues and agree that the DEVS dont care then ill be happy.
Have you ever seen a dev post in the forums saying , oh hey i see people are raging about this we will fix it. NO
Have you ever seen a dev post in the foums saying anything constructive to aissist players . NO
When you talk to a dev if you get a responce its always negative.

And i dont mean to be insulting just FYI. Im actually just presenting the facts. and not being a total carebear about it. Cause someone has to stand up and announce the serious issues FFXIV has.

Pretty much this. People defending the game in its current state don't realize they are hurting it in the long run more then helping it.

[Mega_Man_U]

Pretty much this. People defending the game in its current state don't realize they are hurting it in the long run more then helping it.

But I'm having fun with the game. Are you saying I'm wrong? That I shouldn't?

[Bizniztyme]

But I'm having fun with the game. Are you saying I'm wrong? That I shouldn't?

Yo, you didnt get the memo? They are not having fun, noone else can.

[Kiayin]

Kosmos, I wish I could marry your post.

Do you mind sharing? :v

[Ryios]

Locusts only eat grass, grains, and leaves more or less.

To refer to the people burning, through content as locusts and starving would mean realizing something. We play the game for XYZ and don't care about ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVW. In other words there's a plethora of food in this game and some of us can only eat a select variation of it. When that runs out, we starve.

For me, that's end game content, level 50 dungeons and raids. I like to PVE Raid, I like to be in group parties. I do not like to solo play. I loved FFXI because we exp partied from 1 to 75, and it was engaging. I also ran sky, dynamis, etc etc. Doing the AF quests required groups to help. There was a 100 floor tower to get relic that required groups, etc etc.

FFXIV I am starving because 1-50 you don't need a group. Counting Fate Train Group's as a party is laughable. I can be in a party with 7 people and all any of them care about is that they are getting tags. I could be dieing to 15 mobs while they pick up their gatherable item and ignore me and let me die (And I'm in their group). It's anything but FFXI.

So I've taken to what I enjoy in this game and focused on it. And that's Titan HM, and BCB. Leveling is a chore, not even remotely fun. The main story line was fun, but that doesn't take long and you only do it once.

To take a step back and look at what else there is to do:

1. Crafting
2. Leveling alts
3. Lower Dungeons

I don't enjoy crafting so I don't craft because it has no meaning. Sure you can make a lot of money crafting but what do I need money for? Crafted Gear? All the crafted gear is barely better than DL with full materia and AF1.5 is better than that. They need to add a TON of new items to make crafting appeal to me. And without leves crafting is ... way to grindy and leves run out quick. And for what money I do need I can mine for an hour and be set for the week. Or we sell titan for 5 hours and I walk away with 100 to 500k. And when titan no longer sells, Ultimate Titan will, or BCB (if they open it up to reruns).

Leveling Alts: I do this, but slowly. I have 2 50's and am working on a BLM, but fate grinding for 5 hours straight isn't exactly my idea of a good time because being in a party is all about tagging and not about helping each other out.

Lower Dungeons:
I love running all the dungeons, but it's ineffecient to do so. And you sit in que now for 4+ hours as a dps, or longer. My mains are both tanks PLD/WAR and I don't want to heal so I've pretty much written off running low level dungeons on a DPS unless I come accross a tank or healer to run with.

Now, a lot of this they are fixing, but my main point right now is that it is not currently fixed. So people are out of stuff to do they care about.

Don't take this as a complaint though. I'm content with it, I can wait a month or 2 or 3 or 6. Doesn't bother me at all. I'd rather content come out thats done than incomplete and buggy. The downside, like you said though, is that I will eat something else while I wait. However I have no plans to cancel my sub while I wait. So right now I log in on monday, run a few wp's. We clear BCB to the turn we are progressing on, and I log off. I log on wenesday and help people run stuff and maybe mine a little and log off. I log on wenesday, more bcb, etc.... Rense repeat 6 weeks+ straight now.

[Kosmos992k]

Locusts only eat grass, grains, and leaves more or less.

Um, locusts eat pretty much*any* vegetation that is edible - they destroy croplands when swarming.

To refer to the people burning, through content as locusts and starving would mean realizing something. We play the game for XYZ and don't care about ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVW. In other words there's a plethora of food in this game and some of us can only eat a select variation of it. When that runs out, we starve.

So, exactly like the locusts, your narrow interest in content (analogous to Locusts narrow interest in food (they are not omnivores after all) limits your ability to feed in the long term without moving on. - So, players like you describe are in fact like locusts.

FFXIV I am starving because 1-50 you don't need a group. Counting Fate Train Group's as a party is laughable. I can be in a party with 7 people and all any of them care about is that they are getting tags.

Indeed, so *why* do you play that way? You don't sound like you enjoy it. you're playing a multi-player game, the whole point of a multi-player game is to bring players together so that their interactions can extend the play value of the content in the game. the only time II run any FATE is when I happen to come across them, I run dungeons and leves with friends and LS/FC members, or solo leves if no one is around. I'll even go through DF to get a PUg if there are not enough folks available at the time. But FATE don't hold any interest for me

To take a step back and look at what else there is to do:

1. Crafting
2. Leveling alts
3. Lower Dungeons

Nothing wrong with those things

I don't enjoy crafting so I don't craft because it has no meaning.

Your narrow focus on the game is hurting your ability to enjoy it.

Leveling Alts: I do this, but slowly. I have 2 50's and am working on a BLM, but fate grinding for 5 hours straight isn't exactly my idea of a good time because being in a party is all about tagging and not about helping each other out.

Then, why do it? use dungeons and leves with friends.

I love running all the dungeons, but it's ineffecient to do so.

It's a game, since when did efficiency matter so much? Then whole point of play is to waste time and enjoy doing so. Efficiency is almost counter intuitive to play. The same people complaining about a lack of things to do are the ones trying to be as efficient as possible, actively trying to reduce their play time.

And you sit in que now for 4+ hours as a dps, or longer. My mains are both tanks PLD/WAR and I don't want to heal so I've pretty much written off running low level dungeons on a DPS unless I come accross a tank or healer to run with.

That's the *point* of an MMORPG - meet new people, make friends and play *with* them.

Now, a lot of this they are fixing, but my main point right now is that it is not currently fixed. So people are out of stuff to do they care about.

I think you could fix most of it yourself just by making friends.

Honestly, I'm not trying to sound like a broken record, but so much of what you are complaining about comes down to choosing to play a more narrow scope than others and not interacting with others. I mean that FATE group you describe might as well be bots for all the difference it makes. Running dungeons and leves may (or may not) take longer, but it involves more social interaction and that makes it more enjoyable.

[Keyblade]

But I'm having fun with the game. Are you saying I'm wrong? That I shouldn't?

If you having fun doing the same 2 instances over and over and enjoying a slow as combat system with next to no progression and looking the same with no vanity system on release then sure you can have derp fun.
You would think that ppl would wake up . I mean cmon you have to admit. With the amount of hate this game gets in the forums you think at least 1 of the 100s of issues raised would have been addressed. But alas... NO
Even forums posts with Requesting DEV responce dont get answered..

[Ryios]

I do play with my friends. We run Coil and sell titans together. That's about all there is to do. We level alts, but with the goal of having more options in coil. Everything we do is focused around coil. I play to RAID. There's no point in an MMO to me without raiding. Everything I do is to raid. Every ounce of money I make is to get myself better food/gear to raid with. Every tome I farm is to get better gear to raid with. Every goal in this game leads to RAIDING for me. I absolutely love playing with friends, but to fight stuff, not sit in northern than killing monsters to see if we can kill 1000 at in under 2 mins or something that has no merrit.

Now of all the things to do in this game, I could see how someone would enjoy every ounce of it if they haven't done it before in other games, but I've been playing MMO's since EQ/XI/WOW/GW/GW2/AOC/DOAC you name it. All that really holds my interest anymore is end game content (PVE RAIDS).