Change the Dyeing Synthesis Recipes

[Sorel]

It's not very hard to program a bot to press "enter enter enter enter enter"

Understand that we brought that on ourselves. Before all the changes, crafting required a significant amount of menu interaction. But players demanded that the Development Team "streamline" the crafting process. So now you can set it up so that you just put a brick on the Enter Key, and you just keep on making the last item you crafted.

Certainly more convenient. Certainly more prone automated abuse. Same debate that's going on with AH vs. MW. But that's off topic.

[Rentahamster]

Understand that we brought that on ourselves. Before all the changes, crafting required a significant amount of menu interaction.

No it didn't. Back at retail launch crafting was "rapid rapid rapid rapid".

Now, it's "standard standard standard standard"

[Sorel]

No it didn't. Back at retail launch crafting was "rapid rapid rapid rapid".

Now, it's "standard standard standard standard"

I don't mean the actual execution of commands. That has not changed since Beta. I am referring to choosing recipes, choose materials, and all the windows a player had to navigate. Now that process has been "streamlined", you only have to hit the Enter key to choose your last recipe, fill in all the materials, and begin the process.

Before, you had to think and look and choose.

[Rentahamster]

I don't mean the actual execution of commands. That has not changed since Beta. I am referring to choosing recipes, choose materials, and all the windows a player had to navigate. Now that process has been "streamlined", you only have to hit the Enter key to choose your last recipe, fill in all the materials, and begin the process.

Before, you had to think and look and choose.

That was a good thing. Most people were just trying to do a "repeat last synthesis" anyway. Why make them navigate the whole system again and again if they just want to do the same thing? That's bad design.

Besides, the menu navigation didn't stop bots at all. They can be easily programmed to navigate menus. All it did was piss off legit players and make crafting take more time that it needed to.

[Sorel]

That was a good thing. Most people were just trying to do a "repeat last synthesis" anyway. Why make them navigate the whole system again and again if they just want to do the same thing? That's bad design.

Besides, the menu navigation didn't stop bots at all. They can be easily programmed to navigate menus. All it did was piss off legit players and make crafting take more time that it needed to.

My point is that I don't even need to program a bot any more. I just have to craft a Brass Ring once, then put a weight on the Enter Key.

[Rentahamster]

My point is that I don't even need to program a bot any more. I just have to craft a Brass Ring once, then put a weight on the Enter Key.

That's just for local leves. Non-leve synthesis still requires more menu navigation than that.

Still, the problem that we face in regards to botting lies in the fundamental mechanics of the synthesis "mini-game" itself, not in the menu navigation.

The main goal in any menu-driven interface is to enable the user to do what he wants to do with the least amount of clicks and menu layers as possible.

[Sorel]

Still, the problem that we face in regards to botting lies in the fundamental mechanics of the synthesis "mini-game" itself, not in the menu navigation.

So what specific modifications would you ask SE to make to both make synthesis require the least amount of clicks ... and at the same time hinder the botting of synthesis? No sarcasm. I'm asking an honest question.