Change the Dyeing Synthesis Recipes

[Amineri]

I've been considering this situation a bit more, and have come to the conclusion that my concern is the following:

I dislike removing something from crafting (that removes DEPTH, making it a shallower play experience), without something additional being added that could create more depth.

I will admit the current dyeing system DOES NOT add this hoped for depth. The dyed item recipes seeming purpose is to be restrictive rather than creative. Further, the need to stock large varieties of dyes, dyed cloth, dyed leather, dyed clothing parts, etc is a terrible burden on the inventories.

However, the POSSIBILITIES of the dyeing system seem fantastic. And it's the loss of the possibility of what the current system could become that I mourn, not the current system itself. The sheer craziness of making a velveteen shirt with different front/back/sleeve colors makes me weep (and yes, a lot of people could end up look like clowns).

In addition to the possibilities I've already mentioned (redyeing to the current basic colors, and custom dyeing performed by crafters), I can foresee other possibilities. Perhaps, in the end, the burden of all of the extra custom-colored clothing would be to great of a burden to the item system (although I have my doubts, seeing all the NPCs standing around in their fancy gear).

If the materia system is added, and adds a great deal of depth to the crafting system, both with adding slots / slot-links to gear, plus the making and/or slotting of materia itself, this could easily add enough depth to compensate for the removal of the "dyeing at craft-time" system we have currently.

Other proposals for dyeing:
All gear is created white/uncolored. After being bought, the item can be dyed (via NPC or crafter, however), using crafting dyes / enamels / lacquers, BUT ONLY ONCE. Once the item is dyed, it cannot be redyed. Just a thought.

[Rentahamster]

However, the POSSIBILITIES of the dyeing system seem fantastic. And it's the loss of the possibility of what the current system could become that I mourn, not the current system itself. The sheer craziness of making a velveteen shirt with different front/back/sleeve colors makes me weep (and yes, a lot of people could end up look like clowns).

In addition to the possibilities I've already mentioned (redyeing to the current basic colors, and custom dyeing performed by crafters), I can foresee other possibilities. Perhaps, in the end, the burden of all of the extra custom-colored clothing would be to great of a burden to the item system (although I have my doubts, seeing all the NPCs standing around in their fancy gear).

This level of customization can still be achieved under the new system I proposed along with Jinko's dye NPC graphic interface.

[Amineri]

This level of customization can still be achieved under the new system I proposed along with Jinko's dye NPC graphic interface.

Oh, well, I was being perhaps a bit selfish in that I was looking for that level of customization through the CRAFTING system, and not open to anyone in general.

I admit that it is selfish, but my thinking is that something needs to be added to make crafting a creative endeavor. If all of the dyeing is moved to AFTER the crafting process, then it seems to make crafting even more of a sweatshop activity, relegated only to people that are botting.

Le sigh.

[Rentahamster]

If all of the dyeing is moved to AFTER the crafting process, then it seems to make crafting even more of a sweatshop activity, relegated only to people that are botting.

I don't really see how it is that much more prone to botting that it already is now.
Besides, the fact that things are bottable is due more to the simplistic crafting "mini-game" than anything else. It's not very hard to program a bot to press "enter enter enter enter enter"

[Amineri]

I don't really see how it is that much more prone to botting that it already is now.
Besides, the fact that things are bottable is due more to the simplistic crafting "mini-game" than anything else. It's not very hard to program a bot to press "enter enter enter enter enter"

Yeah, I know. The ranking up process for crafting is fairly atrocious, practically screaming "BOT ME!".

At least with custom dyeing during crafting, when not grinding up crafting skills there would some creativity and entertainment (in my eyes) in the crafting process. Removing the dyeing from the crafting makes the whole thing even more colorless and beige (and yes, that was a terrible and deliberate pun ).

It sounds as though the devs have something in mind, so I guess I'll just have to wait and see how it turns out. If any sort of creativity (ala dyeing, custom gear, SOMETHING) is removed, and the materia system turns out weak, I'll probably just end up wandering off ... ~_~

[Sorel]

It's not very hard to program a bot to press "enter enter enter enter enter"

Understand that we brought that on ourselves. Before all the changes, crafting required a significant amount of menu interaction. But players demanded that the Development Team "streamline" the crafting process. So now you can set it up so that you just put a brick on the Enter Key, and you just keep on making the last item you crafted.

Certainly more convenient. Certainly more prone automated abuse. Same debate that's going on with AH vs. MW. But that's off topic.

[Rentahamster]

Understand that we brought that on ourselves. Before all the changes, crafting required a significant amount of menu interaction.

No it didn't. Back at retail launch crafting was "rapid rapid rapid rapid".

Now, it's "standard standard standard standard"

[Sorel]

No it didn't. Back at retail launch crafting was "rapid rapid rapid rapid".

Now, it's "standard standard standard standard"

I don't mean the actual execution of commands. That has not changed since Beta. I am referring to choosing recipes, choose materials, and all the windows a player had to navigate. Now that process has been "streamlined", you only have to hit the Enter key to choose your last recipe, fill in all the materials, and begin the process.

Before, you had to think and look and choose.