DRG is unbalanced and desperately needs a buff.

[Akira]

You're talking about random pugs doing spammy dungeons?

Try Coil, or even a primal with a group of people all equally geared.

MNK and BLM are the clear leaders. Hell - get your closest MNK or BLM buddy to run over to a striking dummy with you, strip naked aside from your weapon and see who does more damage over 5 mins.

BRD is hit or miss, some of their damage (like BLM) does rely on chance. However fight depending - BRD can easily top a DRG if they don't have to worry about songs. The biggest issue here is that BRD has both the damage & the utility.. Where DRG can do nothing but DPS. The margin should be much clearer in DRG's favour, simply because of BRD's ability to support the party - and deal their damage at a safe range. Really all melee DPS should do more damage then ranged for this reason alone, but adding the amount of utility both BRD and BLM have, it really just isn't balanced at all.

im talking coil with equally geared players only time i lost in dps was in turn 4 due to the aoe but besides that im always top even on titan with ppl equally geared

[SilverRhythm]

OP i agree with your statement on the part with the jumps, to be honest the jump skills given for DRG is not as great as anyone thinks. The worst is the dragondive with 3 minutes cooldown is a very big letdown.

And of course casting animation of each jump is taking too long and causing us lots of difficulties in avoiding enemy's AOE. A vast improvement to all Jump skills is needed.

Cross class skills, this one I have to disagree that giving the MRD cross class skills is a big disadvantage. In fact I am glad to have some of MRD cross class skills despite I know my job is to deliver the best dps as possible. MRD skills are important for Melee's survival and with Foresight/Bloodbath, our survivalbility increases.

I actually wanted Bard's dmg boost skills as well but probably I will try that if I obtain the Allagan spear and try running for Lancer class instead of DRG XD. Gonna give this a test.

Additionally, for top DPS class, i feel MNK are less tanky, depends a lot on positioning and one miss combo could really result with a heavy loss of dps, BLM has lowest survivalability and risk of interrupts but gives a huge amount of dmg, DRG are strong in survival, and only needs ID/HT to hit for position and able to cast skills while moving around the target. DRG may lose in terms of damage, but there is also its advantages

[Chenner]

i like how all my jump skills can potentially 1 shot me since i cant move out of aoe when casted

[Nihility]

groups can clear twintania with a dragoon in the group, how bad can it possibly be?

[texhnolyze]

something good, some not
-i don't feel their dps is so low actually. If you mean "i'm not the dps leader well, not everyone can be top. don't mean they suck

-they have a good spike damage for a melee dd :/ a critted full thrust surpass 1k damage. Only blm can do better

OP made some interesting points like the uselessness of the jump skills, but i'll have to agree with these
usually it's bard or BLM who are on top of dps parse, but DRG is not that bad
about spike damage, my FT can deal 1k damage and i've never seen any other job than BLM can do that

[Koroem]

YOU DO NOT nerf a existing class that is working as intended such as BRD. You do this Toshida, you will only be pissing the BRD population. Buffing underpowered classes is already kind of a nerf to other classes, so do not touch classes that are working "ok".

Wrong. As much as I like Yoshi for how he has turned the game around, he made a mistake by admitting his love for black mage. As a extension of that, black mage will never be out dpsed and any class in danger of coming close will be nerfed to preserve the bias. Bard will be nerfed and via extension melee dps will be slightly buffed to stop the crying. This is standard faire class adjustment techniques for eastern mmos. Melee dps classes will never reach ranged class potential or utility in eastern developed mmos.

[Soukyuu]

im talking coil with equally geared players only time i lost in dps was in turn 4 due to the aoe but besides that im always top even on titan with ppl equally geared

Any monk with you? I kinda doubt it tbh, because a decent MNK dishes out more damage than a DRG on any boss class fights. I rarely have to push myself to pass a DRG as MNK, unless they have better gear (in that case, I lose, obviously).

OP i agree with your statement on the part with the jumps, to be honest the jump skills given for DRG is not as great as anyone thinks. The worst is the dragondive with 3 minutes cooldown is a very big letdown.

The award of "worst jump" goes to Elusive Jump for me, since, well, IT'S NOT FRIKKING ELUDING ANYTHING most of the time. I can't count how many times I died to it <.<

Wrong. As much as I like Yoshi for how he has turned the game around, he made a mistake by admitting his love for black mage. As a extension of that, black mage will never be out dpsed and any class in danger of coming close will be nerfed to preserve the bias. Bard will be nerfed and via extension melee dps will be slightly buffed to stop the crying. This is standard faire class adjustment techniques for eastern mmos. Melee dps classes will never reach ranged class potential or utility in eastern developed mmos.

A class will always be on the top, you can't level match all of them in all situations, that's a fact. The only bad thing is when a class is noticeably worse than the rest of their role, see current Warrior and 1.0's monk before fixes.

[Koroem]

A class will always be on the top, you can't level match all of them in all situations, that's a fact. The only bad thing is when a class is noticeably worse than the rest of their role, see current Warrior and 1.0's monk before fixes.

I agree completely and it isn't my intention to argue against that. My point was that with Yoshi admitting his favorite was black mage, the class balance will forever be skewed in its favor whether he directly has control over tweaks or not. Other classes will be secondary concerns and only small adjustments will be made to quell complaints as long as possible. Heavy handed buffs typically only favor ranged classes in eastern mmos. Developers always drag their feet when it comes to fixing subpar classes. Always.

[Altena]

The award of "worst jump" goes to Elusive Jump for me, since, well, IT'S NOT FRIKKING ELUDING ANYTHING most of the time. I can't count how many times I died to it <.<

Oddly enough I use it for the opposite of its intention. I use it as a gap closer when Spineshatter is down... heh

im talking coil with equally geared players only time i lost in dps was in turn 4 due to the aoe but besides that im always top even on titan with ppl equally geared

TBH I have given up even talking about DPS in this thread as apparently there are full DL DRGs out there that are parsing more then me, using the exact same rotation.. Hah.

If you are honestly outparsing your BRDs and BLMs in coil, namingly T2 and T5 specifically (T1 I can understand if your ranged DPS are pulling slimes all fight), then your BRDs and BLMs must be really slacking.. or have less gear.
I will also write off that you probably do not have a MNK with you, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt for that one.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

I agree completely and it isn't my intention to argue against that. My point was that with Yoshi admitting his favorite was black mage, the class balance will forever be skewed in its favor whether he directly has control over tweaks or not. Other classes will be secondary concerns and only small adjustments will be made to quell complaints as long as possible. Heavy handed buffs typically only favor ranged classes in eastern mmos. Developers always drag their feet when it comes to fixing subpar classes. Always.

So because the developer says he like to play a specific class that mean they'll be the top of the top forever ? That's wrong on so many levels...first and foremost, because blm hardly have the top dps right now. They do best dps when the word is "AoE all the things", and this apply in WP (and who cares about it) and coil turn 4. In every other encounter never a blm surpassed a competent melee