Jumping Risk Assessment

[Jennestia]

I don't know why you keep looking at jumping in a vacuum, that isn't how developing a game works. Especially thinking the only uses for jumping is platforming.

That's all Jumping is used for in a few MMOs though -- "Platforming", traversing certain terrain (which you can now in XIV) and dodging enemy moves (very very few MMOs does this..only 1 I can think of.) so again no one can realistically answer why Jumping will instantly make a game better compared to the addition of actual content.

[Arcell]

so again no one can realistically answer why Jumping will instantly make a game better compared to the addition of actual content.

Right because this game currently has no jumping and as such has no content designed for it (that would be stupid right?).

The only way to answer how it could improve the quality and "fun" of the game is to bring up situations in which it would if they were added. Jumping itself wouldn't make the game instantly better either way. It has the potential to make it "better" based on what the jumping is used for and what content could be created to suit it.

It would be hard to use it to evade attacks because currently the game doesn't really use hitboxes, it just kind of directs attacks at things. Are you within attack range? Attack <t>, hits or misses based on all the algorithms and whatnot, not if it physically made contact with you.

[indira]

they should just keep the 5 foot cliff a obstacle, cuz you know people are gonna find ways to fall in the floor between 2 objects like teleporting threw doors and stuff like that. then cry when there banned

i vote NO for jumping.

[Neptune]

That's all Jumping is used for in a few MMOs though -- "Platforming", traversing certain terrain (which you can now in XIV) and dodging enemy moves (very very few MMOs does this..only 1 I can think of.) so again no one can realistically answer why Jumping will instantly make a game better compared to the addition of actual content.

Jennestia, those who think jump will add to the game haven't made the argument that it will instantly make the game better compared to the addition of actual content. Most of the jump-lovers seem to think jumping will improve the game in a way that I suspect they would say, pales to the comparison of other content with high production values. In fact, framing the addition of jump to the game in the context of a contest between instant fun and actual game content seems like a nonsensical tactic deployed by someone who can't win an argument by appealing to reason and must use any other way possible to get what they want to satisfy their (presumably) questionable tastes. However, I know it only seems that way but really you are just good at outsmarting those jump-lovers! /bow to Jennestia!

[Illy]

I don't want jumping. The game doesn't need it nor is the game designed to take advantage of it. All adding it will do is allow idiots to jump around like monkeys non stop(just like WoW)

The only way it would work in my opinion(and TONS of others have stated the same exact thing) is if it's context sensitive as is the case in FFXIII.

The bottom line is that FFXIV has a very real look and feel to it and people jumping all over the place willy nilly will not fit in with that it will ruin the game. I don't wanna walk into town seeing everyone jumping around for no reason other then to annoying other players because they think it's funny. The other games out there that have jumping were designed with it in mind and as such makes sense to be in the game but FFXIV was not designed with it in mind so all it will be is a annoyance.

[Rowyne]

You do NOT join an MMO because you jump, I have never in my 2x years of online gaming heard someone say:

"I WANT TO PLAY THIS MMO BECAUSE I CAN JUMP! ^__^"

No, but I've heard plenty of people complain when they find out they can't jump in a game. FFXIV became a laughing stock of the gaming community, and the lack of jump was in the list of 'cons' in bad reviews that did indeed state the lack of ability to jump was a turnoff.

Here is one example of many:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QXrF7AeRZY&t=8m28s

[Jennestia]

The only way to answer how it could improve the quality and "fun" of the game is to bring up situations in which it would if they were added. Jumping itself wouldn't make the game instantly better either way. It has the potential to make it "better" based on what the jumping is used for and what content could be created to suit it.

So in essence, it's the same line of thinking other people have with other suggestions that get shot down because they're thinking long term rather than in the now?

Jennestia, those who think jump will add to the game haven't made the argument that it will instantly make the game better compared to the addition of actual content

When you read between the lines, those who are pro-jump seem to make it seem like the most important thing they can add to this game, because they're the loudest group of supporters -- the louder you are about a subject the more important you're making it out to be.

No, but I've heard plenty of people complain when they find out they can't jump in a game.

Yeah, much like there's groups of people complaining you can't shoot in a x,y,z game either simply because a lot of games lately have a shooting mechanic of some kind. Certain designs just become so commonplace that it'll always be a con no matter how good or bad the game itself is if it lacks said feature.

[Neptune]

No, but I've heard plenty of people complain when they find out they can't jump in a game. FFXIV became a laughing stock of the gaming community, and the lack of jump was in the list of 'cons' in bad reviews that did indeed state the lack of ability to jump was a turnoff.

Here is one example of many:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QXrF7AeRZY&t=8m28s

This is a very interesting video clip. Makes me glad Tanaka's gone.

[Rowyne]

This is a very interesting video clip. Makes me glad Tanaka's gone.

I set it to start right where MikeB asks Tanaka about jumping (8-1/2 minutes in). It's actually a much longer clip. I recommend watching it in its entirety if you haven't before. It shows you some things that can really make or break an MMO.

And, yes, I agree. Tanaka made some bad decisions and just wasn't good with the public. It was time for him to go.

[Jennestia]

And, yes, I agree. Tanaka made some bad decisions and just wasn't good with the public. It was time for him to go.

He's still on the XI dev team and a consultant for FFXIV's team -- he didn't go anywhere actually.