Bard Nerfs Offically Confirmed

[Danko]

I just started coil this week so maybe I'm still oblivious to somethings but, in turn 2 at least, aren't 2 BRDs pretty much required already.

Zero Bards are required to do coil.

All of the moves that need silenced are done in specific sequence and can be planned for well in advance by other jobs with Silence.

People are getting a little off the rails with this "BRD support Argument" That was not what Yoshi P was talking about with consideration to areas where BRD is "just a LITTLE too strong." He specifically referenced Titan and fights like it where BRD can have (close to) 100% DPS up time while dodging mechanics, whereas other DPS have to stop DPSing to deal with them.

That is really the only area where BRD needs a look. Our actual damage ceiling is relatively low. Our support options are not something that would ever be mistaken for OP. They certainly do not warrant a DPS ceiling nerf from where it sits currently.

The ONLY balance issue with BRD that needs addressing is DPS mobility.

Not its support options relative to other DPS.

Not its DPS ceiling.

Not BRD's ability to Silence relative to other DPS.

DPS MOBILITY. End. Done.

[Lecreuset]

you still need atleast 1 bard man lol.. required to get in? No.. needed to finish the instance? yeah

You just sound biased about the class since you are one

[pandabearcat]

So anyway, the only reason mobility is even an issue is cast times are too long, and melee is too punished by stance requirement uptimes.

If you take a look at WoW, hunters are 100% mobile, and no longer even have any damage penalty for moving. And thats fine, they do well and noone complains.

Part of the reason is that classes all have many more options. All melee have movement abilities on relatively short cooldowns. All ranged casters have abilities that either let them cast while moving or instacast (relatively frequently) or have a filler that isn't complete crap that they can do on the move.

They should strive to make everyone more mobile, esp in a game focused on extremely precise movement, rather than nerf bard's mobility.

It wouldn't make any sense to make bards less mobile.

But instead of nerfs they should actually give QoL changes to the classes move affected.

Oh well, I still think the nerf is going to be something like a 9% flat damage reduction, with a stacking buff every second (3 stacks or something) that gives 3% damage a stack while standing still.

[Danko]

you still need atleast 1 bard man lol.. required to get in? No.. needed to finish the instance? yeah

Explain which instance that BRD is NEEDED or you will lose?

[Rochetm]

People are getting a little off the rails with this "BRD support Argument" That was not what Yoshi P was talking about with consideration to areas where BRD is "just a LITTLE too strong." He specifically referenced Titan and fights like it where BRD can have (close to) 100% DPS up time while dodging mechanics, whereas other DPS have to stop DPSing to deal with them.

I don't understand how people missed this. He didn't say bards are the most unbalanced class every and they need to be nerfed. I thought it was obvious where the issue was... fights like titan where they can nearly ignore fight mechanics and stay full dps while doing it. And even then I don't see them doing much. Maybe force them to be still for a couple abilities or something like that.

[Danko]

So anyway, the only reason mobility is even an issue is cast times are too long, and melee is too punished by stance requirement uptimes.

I agree with this 100%. More mobility and QoL changes for other jobs would make more sense than DPS nerfs for BRD.

[Lecreuset]

Explain which instance that BRD is NEEDED or you will lose?

you just said 0 bards required to do coil lol you forgot your own post? Mage's ballad is too good and Even Army's Paeon is good to have in turn 4.

[Lecreuset]

Try convincing a group to have 2 warriors. Face it , you need 2 Paladins just as much as you need atleast 1 bard to beat the instance

[Danko]

you just said 0 bards required to do coil lol you forgot your own post?

What?

I asked you to explain in which instance BRD is NEEDED in to finish the instance. IE: I'm asking you to defend your argument that you NEED at least one BRD to finish the instance. Which was in response to mine. That ZERO BRDs are NEEDED to finish the instance.

Now you go.

[Anisto]

Zero Bards are required to do coil.

Honestly stopped reading here. I know other classes have silence but try convincing a grp to do coil with zero bards once.