People abusing party in progress option

[Yshnal]

Why would't their time be more valuable to them than your time? It'd be pretty damn unusual if they cared about your time more than their own. Seriously, stop blaming the people and blame the system that incentivizes them to behave this way. It's SE's fault.

I don't know... Maybe because they should have something called "empathy"? Or "morality"? Or perhaps that they shouldn't think that they're the center of the universe and that they can do whatever they want when they want and f*ck everyone else around them if they don't like it (3 other players in this case, where 3>1)? Who knows.

As a reminder (for those who forgot it), we don't have laws in real life just for the sake of having them, but because normal people know that certain things are bad and shouldn't be done. And a lot of us don't do those same things not because we could we punished, but simply because we're aware that they're wrong. Moreover, there's some things and behaviours that aren't exactly legally regulated either but that we know that are wrong too and that any decent person would never do. However, it seems that these same things don't apply to the Internet (?), where common sense and manners seem to be missing most of the time.

Yeah, keep saying that it's SE's fault if it makes you feel better.

[Neomarl]

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Why would I have empathy/morality for random people that I don't even know nor care about? As a tank, I will fully take advantage of any situation that can make my life easier, and if it means burning people down to get on top, I will do it without hesitation. Stay mad.

[Ulathskullsplitter]

Why would I have empathy/morality for random people that I don't even know nor care about? As a tank, I will fully take advantage of any situation that can make my life easier, and if it means burning people down to get on top, I will do it without hesitation. Stay mad.

The moral of this story? Tanks are terrible people.

Ok not all but too many in this game. The lack of tanks has caused the ones there are to get an inflated ego and think the game revolves around them. When Im in a DF queue im usually on a different class leveling. So every time it pops i have to stop what im doing and change classes and hope during that time the tank doesnt withdraw. Usually cant get into WP/AK until a tank has withdrawn about 30 times before one actually stays. There needs to be at least a minimum 30 second penalty for withdrawing.

[Sephirah]

Why would I have empathy/morality for random people that I don't even know nor care about? As a tank, I will fully take advantage of any situation that can make my life easier, and if it means burning people down to get on top, I will do it without hesitation. Stay mad.

It saddens me to see tanks like you, out there giving us a bad name. The anonymity of the internet does not mean you get to be a complete and total, worthless waste of oxygen. I'm sorry that your life is so shitty that you "need" an outlet like an MMO to treat people this way, because I'm pretty sure if you acted like that in real life you'd get your ass kicked pretty quick.

You can't clear a dungeon by yourself, you need them just as much as they need you. I'm on turn 5 in coils and yet I've had AK groups that couldn't kill the last boss because their dps was too low, or they just couldn't get a hang of the mechanics.

[Mairuzu]

It's saddens me to see tanks like you, out there giving us a bad name. The anonymity of the internet does not mean you get to be a complete and total, worthless waste of oxygen......

You really shouldn't care about the opinions of those who generalize off one or even a few people anyways. Just saying

Its also not that anonymous. You can search for this player in game if you're on their server.

I still see no reason to blame a tank for taking advantage of an option the square enix implemented into the game. Its quite silly to strike at the branches and not the root.

Also, if you think the person you're quoting deserves to get their ass kicked for saying something then something is quite wrong with you and not them. That's pretty messed up. Despite the fact that you may disagree with them, its not enough to cause violence to them. Ever.

[Yshnal]

I still see no reason to blame a tank for taking advantage of an option the square enix implemented into the game. Its quite silly to strike at the branches and not the root.

One thing is to tick the option to join a party in progress and then accepting any group that you get, or just declining it sometimes for whatever reason. But another thing is to purposely use the duty finder to spam the queue, declining all groups until you find one that suits your special tastes (not necessarily on the last boss, and I know what I say here as I know people that do this). That's not taking advantage of anything, but abusing it, specially when some of those same people say that they know that they're annoying other players by doing that. That's what people are complaining about.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should.

How the hell does snatching purses from grandmothers resemble, in any way, joining a queue for an already started group on a video game? (Hint: It doesn't) What an absurdly fallacious comparison. You should be ashamed of trying to pass this off as logical.

It was an analogy and it's perfectly valid to explain what I was trying to explain (read the rest of the posts). Nice try though.

[Mairuzu]

One thing is to tick the option to join a party in progress and then accepting any group that you get, or just declining it sometimes for whatever reason.

Its not abusing it. If the game gives you the option to join a party in progress then you should be able to join a party in progress or be queued until one needs you. The fact that the game puts you into a group you don't want and didn't even request isn't the fault of the player. If they wanted to join a new party then they would have done so from the beginning. We are dealing with paying customers here that can and will get what they want as long as its not a violation of their agreement. If it continues to pop something up that you're not requesting to do then what are you left to do? You try again. No one is purposely trying to spam the queue since no one wants to sit there doing that. What players are doing is declining something the game is simply screwing up on.

[Sephirah]

Its not abusing it.

So because the game lets you, it's not abuse to say, tank a boss in a specific location that trivializes core mechanics? Because I'm pretty sure SE considers things like that abuse, or "exploits".

Just because the game lets you do something does not mean it's ok or intended. Again, there is nothing wrong with backing out of a group because you have to do something else. But intentionally looking for mostly cleared dungeons and REFUSING to tank a fresh dungeon is not intended.

I laughed so hard this morning when in an AK run, after we killed the first boss, our healer goes "way to make that fight take a millinia" to which I replied "if you know a faster way that isn't an exploit, be my guest". They dropped group immediately.

You're misunderstanding me. You told a tank that hes giving tanks bad names. This implies that when someone sees this tank being a douche, then that person judges and generalizes all tanks based off that one douche. To which I said, you shouldn't really care about the opinions of those who generalize like that.

They should be able to. Its not enough to cause violence to them.

You are really hung up on that comment about not being able to act like that in real life without getting your ass kicked huh? Judging by your "love-elution" signature I think it's safe to assume you are in the "violence doesn't solve anything" boat. And while I agree POINTLESS violence doesn't solve anything, it is an absolute FACT that throughout the entire history of humanity, more conflicts have been RESOLVED through violence than ANY other medium.

Again, I am NOT saying we should all go kick this guys ass or any other tank that does this. I'm just saying if that is how they act in real life, then yea, eventually someone is gonna smack em, lol.

[Yshnal]

Its not abusing it. If the game gives you the option to join a party in progress then you should be able to join a party in progress or be queued until one needs you. The fact that the game puts you into a group you don't want and didn't even request isn't the fault of the player. If they wanted to join a new party then they would have done so from the beginning. We are dealing with paying customers here that can and will get what they want as long as its not a violation of their agreement. If it continues to pop something up that you're not requesting to do then what are you left to do? You try again. No one is purposely trying to spam the queue since no one wants to sit there doing that. What players are doing is declining something the game is simply screwing up on.

The option is not there for people that want to join an already started duty, but for those that don't mind or are willing to join one, no matter at what boss they're at. It might seem a small difference, but it's a pretty important one if you think about it, and it's the way it's designed. Like it or hate it, but don't abuse it and annoy everyone else that understands how it works. That's simply what people are asking here.

As with a lot of things, SE is guilty on assuming that players would be willing to help others, but failed miserably with that assumption. That's the only thing that they're at fault on this matter, and not on what people do with the system.

[Sephirah]

You really shouldn't care about the opinions of those who generalize off one or even a few people anyways. Just saying

Its also not that anonymous. You can search for this player in game if you're on their server.

I still see no reason to blame a tank for taking advantage of an option the square enix implemented into the game. Its quite silly to strike at the branches and not the root.

Also, if you think the person you're quoting deserves to get their ass kicked for saying something then something is quite wrong with you and not them. That's pretty messed up. Despite the fact that you may disagree with them, its not enough to cause violence to them. Ever.

Who is generalizing? I was talking to that tank specifically, hence the word "you". And I'm not advocating anyone kick their ass for what they said, but the behavior they are advocating and their attitude about it is not the way a person can behave in real life and expect to get by.

The anonymity I was referring to has nothing to do with being able to find their character again. They said themselves they don't care because the people in their group are random and they will never play with them again. We don't know who this person really is, and can never know (without some illicit illegal activity) without them telling us. That means he is safe to be as douchy as he wants without having his "real" character tarnished. And when I say character I don't mean another character, I mean their character, as in a personality trait.