Yoshi P talks about Warriors- from Producer Letter Live @ TGS

[Kitru]

How does a healer only heal less than half when in Cleric Stance? -20% Heals and swaps INT<->MND. Maybe 40% at the most.

I checked it on my WHM. Cure hit for 850 without Cleric Stance up and 400 with Cleric Stance up. Don't underestimate the hit that the INT>MND swap provides. My MND is more than double my INT and the 20% drop hits it even harder.

[Judge_Xero]

I checked it on my WHM. Cure hit for 850 without Cleric Stance up and 400 with Cleric Stance up. Don't underestimate the hit that the INT>MND swap provides. My MND is more than double my INT and the 20% drop hits it even harder.

Wow, so how would you consider just having two Healers not in Cleric Stance. What is a reasonable damage number they could put out while healing at the same time?

[Phreak]

Wow, so how would you consider just having two Healers not in Cleric Stance. What is a reasonable damage number they could put out while healing at the same time?

There's almost no downside to cleric stance, the CD is so short (5 seconds = 2 casts) and it's off the skill cool down, you can literally toggle it off and on any time you want to deal quick damage and then off and go straight back into full on healing with no penalty outside of using a GCD.

You can deal damage in cleric stance and heal at the same time without any real penalty.

[Judge_Xero]

There's almost no downside to cleric stance, the CD is so short (5 seconds = 2 casts) and it's off the skill cool down, you can literally toggle it off and on any time you want to deal quick damage and then off and go straight back into full on healing with no penalty outside of using a GCD.

You can deal damage in cleric stance and heal at the same time without any real penalty.

Well if it's that easy then wouldn't

WAR (STR Spec'd to a degree. ~7k HP)
Healer
Healer
DPS

be just as or more effective than PLD, Healer, DDX2?

Moderately geared I was pulling ~155 DPS as a Warrior. So give each healer ~70-80DPS with DOT's etc and a 200 DPS DD. (495 DPS)

PLD ~80DPS, Healer (0 no time to DD as solo healer) DD X 2 400 DPS (480 DPS)

[Ehayte]

~155 DPS as a Warrior.
PLD ~80DPS,

Uhhh...no. WAR out-DPSes PLD in most cases, but not by 195%

[Judge_Xero]

Uhhh...no. WAR out-DPSes PLD in most cases, but not by 195%

Well, I parse at ~155 DPS. What would a reasonable amount be for PLD? Most I see are around 80 DPS, but are also only stacking Vitality so they have like ~310-330 STR. Of course they could have much more with all endgame gear, but DL + Relic vs DL + Relic I'd say it's pretty close to 80 DPS.

[Delorean]

Well, I parse at ~155 DPS. What would a reasonable amount be for PLD? Most I see are around 80 DPS, but are also only stacking Vitality so they have like ~310-330 STR. Of course they could have much more with all endgame gear, but DL + Relic vs DL + Relic I'd say it's pretty close to 80 DPS.

I think 120 is a more accurate number, assuming relic and full dl. I can probably get 80 DPS with a GC weapon lol.

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According to LogRep2 I did 71 DPS on Garuda in full DL and Storm Lieutenant's Cutlass. I am going to assume that is the parser you are using since my WAR parses are generally in the 150-170 area when I am permitted to use Inner Beast pretty much whenever it is available.

I also just hit 50 on the Paladin yesterday, so it's likely that I am not keeping a tight damage rotation considering my unfamiliarity with PLD.

But a PLD in our FC regularly parses at about 120 DPS on Titan.

[Leiron]

Well, I parse at ~155 DPS. What would a reasonable amount be for PLD? Most I see are around 80 DPS, but are also only stacking Vitality so they have like ~310-330 STR. Of course they could have much more with all endgame gear, but DL + Relic vs DL + Relic I'd say it's pretty close to 80 DPS.

Quite sure you are horribly wrong and playing PLD wrong if you're getting only 80 DPS.