SMN and Twintania

[Kevee]

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about. I run with a BRD, BLM, and DRG, and none of them require any setup time or cooldowns to kill the short Conflags. I need half of my cooldowns to do it.
Sorry, but there's no way for SMN to compare with a BLM who is taking 1/4 of it's health with a crit.

With that said, Twister has been retard-proofed with the nerf. If you're wiping to Twisters, the people you're playing with are trash, and that might be why you think SMN is good at Conflags.

p.s. this also doesn't consider that we run 100% OOM during the final phase.

No, you don't have any idea. BLM has a windup if they started at UI3, And Firestarter procs are RNG. It's not like they can just hold on to AF3.

DRG definitely has a wind-up. Do you know how combos work? I mean, unless the DRG is just sitting there with Full Thrust up..Which means you'll fail the total DPS check. Not to mention they can't effectively use their strongest attacks, their DoTs, on it. BRD has wind-up time, too, with their DoTs, or if BL was currently on CD with no reset.

We immediately get what we need on the target, while still doing damage to both, every time. We are the best DPS class for the conflag/fireball phase, hands down. We're the only class that hurts our own Conflag continuously(BRD can with Flaming Arrow, which isn't comparable to SF), or the boss while we're conflagged(DoTs+Pet). MNK would be better at getting the conflag down, but SMN is better(for that phase) taking the whole encounter time to mind.

[Crescent_Dusk]

The conflag part is the most insignificant of the phases, so I don't understand why you're stuck discussing it.

[Kevee]

The conflag part is the most insignificant of the phases, so I don't understand why you're stuck discussing it.

Dreadknights are pretty insignificant, too, especially with a PLD off-tank.

So then what is the point of this topic?

Because, certainly, it's not like it was Conflag or Dreadknights to begin with, right?

And it's not like you, and the other person, who continually talk bad about the SMN job, were completely proven wrong when pointing to Conflags, right? "They have 7.5s of ramp up time!"

No, they don't. Not for conflags.

"We're worse than all other classes/jobs at conflag!"

What other class/job can have 4 DoTS + 480 potency in the first second of a Conflag being up? Or, if it's a 1-charge phase, even 4 DoTs + 180 Potency + Pet CDs, and possibly RS/Enkindle? No one can match us in a scenario where we can bane to another target, because our single target damage is also our AoE damage.

Guess what? Even if we're worse off on Dreadknights, we're still providing damage on Twintania while we kill them--More than other jobs. It's not like our DoTs + SF just, you know, disappear when a dreadknight spawns. Even further, guess what? If we get stunned, we're still better off than everyone else because of our pet. While we're stunned, we still have ~20-25% of our DPS just chugging along, in addition to our DoTs.



tl;dr

Stop bitching about SMN. We're in an amazing place. Both in utility, and damage.

[Crescent_Dusk]

That's a nice strawman you came up with. Name in my post where I specifically stated that a 7.5 second ramp up was in reference to conflags.

[MakotoNano]

I'd say keep at it. Summoner's definitely lacking a little in the burst, but with proper timing, we've been seeing 1900-2100 fester crits. Our summoner actually beat me by a little bit on overall, and with proper stuns on the Dreadknight, it shouldn't get anywhere. Any slow knocks it down to like old man speed.

How exactly are your SMN doing 1900-2100 fester crits? I'm in full ilvl 90 minus 2 pieces, most of it best in slot. With food, int pot and foe requiem up ive only seen about 1750 (edit: and Raging Strikes up). ... so thats a bit high if you ask me.

[glim]

How exactly are your SMN doing 1900-2100 fester crits? I'm in full ilvl 90 minus 2 pieces, most of it best in slot. With food, int pot and foe requiem up ive only seen about 1750 (edit: and Raging Strikes up). ... so thats a bit high if you ask me.

I've seen 1950 on my end, and that's before I got some ilvl 90 pcs, raging strikes, battlevoice foe requiem, hq pot, and food.

[MakotoNano]

I've seen 1950 on my end, and that's before I got some ilvl 90 pcs, raging strikes, battlevoice foe requiem, hq pot, and food.

I don't see how considering I've just checked your gear and I'm quite a bit more geared then you. It may not have been battlevoice FR when I've tested it us they normally use it for mana or TP song but still I dont see battle voice adding 200-300 damage to a fester

[Kevee]

That's a nice strawman you came up with. Name in my post where I specifically stated that a 7.5 second ramp up was in reference to conflags.

And you people were saying that burst wasn't needed anywhere. I've been saying for a long time that a 7.5 second ramp up to start doing damage is horrendous, but people get what they deserve for fanboying.

Why would you even say that, considering the topic is about Conflags and Dreadknights? Since you didn't specifically mention Dreadknights, that means it was a blanket statement.

How exactly are your SMN doing 1900-2100 fester crits? I'm in full ilvl 90 minus 2 pieces, most of it best in slot. With food, int pot and foe requiem up ive only seen about 1750 (edit: and Raging Strikes up). ... so thats a bit high if you ask me.

When the little snakes explode they have an AoE damage buff-debuff that applies both to you, and the big snake.

Was seeing 1.4-1.6k non-crit Festers on the big snake after that.

Highest I've seen without that is ~1.7k crit, but I don't use INT pots. Our BRDs don't BV FR, either, so you can add at least 200-300 damage on top of that.

[glim]

I don't see how considering I've just checked your gear and I'm quite a bit more geared then you. It may not have been battlevoice FR when I've tested it us they normally use it for mana or TP song but still I dont see battle voice adding 200-300 damage to a fester

1750 is pretty low for a full buffed crit on a high end ilvl 90 character with +1, all I can say is that you probably saw this crit while missing a buff, either you missed a battlevoice or misclicked a pot or did not have raging strikes up or whatever.

just right now, I got my bard friend to battlevoice requiem for me on a lightning sprite, popped a pot, and it hit for 1250 non crit, if that crits that's 1875. but I'm also missing the full party buff. and since I'm not even in full best in slot, I can say that a 2k crit is very possible.

edit: 1750 is not low, errr more like, it's low if all buffs are up including battlevoice.

[neizero]

If you have a SMN doing high damage to Conflags, your other DPS are terrible .

Or maybe you are the terrible SMN?